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The policies are more popular than the party. It’s probably the only reason Dems have a chance. More reason to run independents on progressive tickets.

 

Saying enjoy trump when somebody says it was justified for tlaib to call biden a genocider (it was) is pretty fucking disgusting I don’t even know how you can justify it

 

I don’t understand the “vanity” part.

 

There were two candidates, I don’t know what to tell you.

 

well it didn’t help her win any votes so why else did she do it other than to keep up appearances with Israel so she could pat herself on the back for being a “good ally?” strikes me as vain.

 

news to me thanks I’ll make sure to consider that when I go vote Tuesday


like Jesus man we’ve been having these discussions for MONTHS

 

A recent previous reply of mine describes how I feel about the choices she made.

 

Blaming Tlaib is beyond offensive. She deserves a massive apology if anything

 

aight thats enough, Ill see yall for the assassination

 

it’s the one Palestinian American in congresses fault for having morals and calling out evil

 

I’m not specifically blaming her for Harris losing, don’t be ridiculous.

 

ascribing any part of the blame to her, no matter how small, is completely beyond the pale

 

Tlaib is a saint

 

Victor, you clearly need to learn how to read graphs

 

Enjoy the moral high ground, I guess.

 

Tlaib was right, and she was one of the few national figures showing the level of urgency the situation called for.

If Harris wasn’t so prideful, or such a ghoul, she would have listened to her. And then maybe we wouldn’t be staring down the barrel of another four years of Trump.

 

if I’m ever so lost in the sauce I start making snide comments about moral high ground toward people upset our president and vice president are happily funding a genocide please get me help

 

Tlaib is dope. Matt stinks.

 

Why place the burden on Tlaib for standing up against genocide instead of blaming the people supporting the genocide? Why should she have to fall in line but the people with actual power can fund an unpopular “war?” Which of the two lost more voters do we think?

 

I said the states shifted away from Democrats, meaning that even states that she won - like Massachusetts - shifted towards trump, 44 states according to an article dated for this morning, with the 2 biggest shifts happening in California & New York

I do think the results are showing several groups of voters moving towards trump as well though

 

I noticed the trend in this thread where people come in here for the first time trying to do smug redditposting and very quickly find out this isn't the place for that.

How often does this happen monthly? Bimonthly?

 

Think about why youre so worried about a single house rep from Michigan.

 

I’d argue that is more to do with the work organizers had been doing in the years leading up to the 2020 election than Bernie or Warren as individual actors. I worked on the Butch Lewis Act for example from 2016-2019 before I move to Chicago. That was thrown in the ARP after Unions had pushed for it for a long, long time. It was ultimately included in the ARP after rotting in Congress for years because letting a bunch of pensioners starve to death was rightly untenable. I don’t credit individual politicians with a lot of those gains, and I think that kind of thinking absolves people like you and me of our responsibilities.

Drug price negotiations had been something Bernie had discussed for decades, now he had an army of supporters behind him. Again, he didn’t achieve that because he was just a special boy who got the job done. In fact, he went decades *not* getting that done (Tlaib hasn’t even finished her 6th year). But he gained enough popular support to get some of the more marginal things at his platform adopted precisely BECAUSE he offered moral clarity that the Democrats themselves didn’t have to offer people. It’s why he gained relevance in the 2010s as the hangover of disappointment from the Obama admin wore off. He wouldn’t have gained the support that made his platform something Dems had to reckon with if he didn’t have convictions and was just a loyal party hack. And all of that progressive energy in the Biden admin. lasted, what? Not even to the 2022 midterms?

Poll after poll showed that the issue was way down the list for Jewish voters, that it was a huge issue for Arab voters in a state where she desperately needed them, and voters of all kinds would be more likely to support a candidate who ended the genocide. Even using the flimsy excuse of political expediency, she acted in a way that didn’t align with that. Might be better and more accurate to accept that her and the Dems would sooner let the massacre all of Palestine because supporting Israel is what the Dems want to be doing rather than assuming they were making secret smart moves that just wound up being wrong.

Beyond that: you can feel how you feel about “lesser evils” - it’s why I didn’t go out of my way to shame people who said that they recognized Harris was evil but would vote for her. Fuck man, Tlaib herself did GOTV that included Harris as part of a slate of Dems. BUT, I have no problem saying that I would think any person who endorsed the people doing a genocide against their friends and family was a huge self-serving piece of shit. I can’t imagine a much more craven act that one individual could do.

To be honest, the Dems don’t deserve Rashida.

 

I’m… not?