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When people think getting a Dem elected will be progress and then can't even do that.

 

What are the best books about the Russian Revolution/Lenin? I'm looking for something that goes quite in-depth.

 

for the Russian Revolution in general, I think the most highly regarded is Trotsky's History of the Russian Revolution. for Lenin, Leninism Under Lenin won the Deutscher Prize.

 

Those are both basically essential reads. Depending on how you want to go more in depth I'm sure people will have more recs. A couple other kind of aggregated and general sources to pick through.

Marxism-Leninism-Maoism Basic Course

Revolutionary Study Guide

Reading List From Cuba to the Congo – BitterBrownKid – Medium

 

Think I'm going to start posting more in here and less in general. The trend over there seems to be getting even more shitposty and horseshoe theory as time goes on and to be totally honest, I'm sick of being spoken to condescendingly like liberals are on some higher plain of knowledge where they not only have access to the true utopian reformist truth, but also are the only ones allowed to stand on the pillar of the moral high ground. Really, really, really done with the thread ignoring @lightning13's and honestly pretty much all posts that try to start discussions about something other than squabbling over the election, meaningless reactions to clickbait bullshit or hot takes, and in general all things that don't fit the western narrative. And while leftists can and have been incredibly dismissive at times, I care more about fixing the conversation when I know if someone posts #whitegenocide that the majority of people aren't gonna start @ing them with "well actually, killing people is bad and antifa=nazis". I think it's getting stagnant and cyclical and as much as being challenged is a fundamental necessity for learning, pretty much all the people that I feel are still adding value to that thread also check here off and on so...yea. I think any long form reactions to issues I'll post here and general can have the mic drop tweets and liberal troll food.

 

Yeah I confess I have not been super stoked by the development of the politics thread. It's less shitty than AP's got to be and it's a good place to keep track of any news I might have missed while at work, but the theory has been... Less than convincing and mostly kind of this ironically tone deaf cyclic set of arguments. It is what it is.

 

If China is going to abandon DPRK, prepare for war. We'll be at war in Syria and Korea in a year.

 

The Steps to Ecosocialism | Jacobin

Article is a response to another Jacobin piece I posted in GenPol the other day. Foster and Angus felt Tanuro had misrepresented many of their statements.

 

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Can anyone please explain to me what the fuck post left anarchism is

 

Critique of leftist and left anarchist organizing as failed, driven by personality and careerism and/or insulated in cliques or academia; a stirnerist individualism, anti-ideoligism, and nihilism; critique of left idpol as upholding identities that should be destroyed; lifestylism & often anti-civilization or primitivists; also an anti-work idea that i kind of buy into or at least think is very cool and interesting

 

essentially, abandon all that you believe, and just be against everything, literally everything, and derive your desire for collective liberation from an egoist desire for personal liberation because the ego is the only thing that actually exists (not literally everything bc ego). and then be against capitalism, socialism, work, society, civilization, identity, ideology, 'organizing,' 'movements,' hierarchy, etc, and to the extent that it is possible live your life in line with that opposition.

 

Alright, thank you. That was the impression I'd gotten, but everything I'd been reading was way more complicated than that

 

this is a classic essay that I think all lefties should read a thousand times even if I don't agree with a lot of it, the idea of politics being not boring and engaging with people in a way that isn't work is I think very important:
Your Politics Are Boring As Fuck

bob black is a crazy person but this is good as is his one about the abolition work

Anarchy after Leftism | The Anarchist Library
The Abolition of Work--Bob Black

i like this in the general idea of anarchism as a negative force, its a bit philosophy heavy but i dig it"

Its core is the negation | The Anarchist Library

 

Thanks for laying that all out. Got a lot to think about. I bookmarked all those and I'll read through them this weekend

 

i'm willing to bet this is either a very nice part of havana or santa clara, because everything else is trash fuck the Cuban government

 

The very few things that are advertised/widely known as good in Cuba almost exclusively come at the expense of the mass majority of Cubans, and I would love if the left as a whole wouldn't point to Cuban systems as good examples when it should be what we aim to avoid in creating a socialist/communist/whatever-the-fuckist government.

 

I think because of the way the US has rewritten the histories of socialist countries and tried to utterly exterminate leftist thought, and because the redbaiting liberals over and over resort to, "well show me an example where it's ever worked," when trying to maintain a dialogue with them we are forced to eschew problems in the few examples that we have, but this is simply because the narrative is the playing field and liberals are the ones who wrote it. An alternative approach might be to try and convince them that it was in fact UN sanctions that completely destroyed society in Iraq during the 90s. Malnutrition, starvation, preventable diseases, etc killed two orders of magnitude more people than bombs. I think you'll find that similarly as with their denial that embargos played any part in Cuba's current state, they will refuse to believe it. Which is one of the reasons that words and elections are not enough to shift the balance of power in this country back into the hands of the workers.

 

also i didn't mean to come off as dismissive. if we want socialist leaders and systems that truly benefit the people we absolutely should critique the way the leaders and systems of the past and present fail the people.

 

I'll check in here to add mic drop tweets and liberal troll food.

And to sarcastically shake my fist at liberals. Damn liberals!

 

David is here to share with us the tweets where the liberals he loves 80% of the time go too far