The LGBTIQ Rights and Discussion Thread Social • Page 26

iCarly Rae Jepsen · Mar 31, 2017

she had to take a twitter break because people were being awful and transphobic, it always feels like 1 step forward 40 steps back and it's so disheartening

mad · Mar 31, 2017

Gilbert Baker, inventor of gay rights rainbow flag, dies aged 65
May he rest in peace

Jake Gyllenhaal · Mar 31, 2017

Malatesta · Apr 2, 2017

Rachel Dolezal says transgender people face less prejudice than she does as ‘transracial’

iCarly Rae Jepsen · Apr 2, 2017

Spencer Control said:

Rachel Dolezal says transgender people face less prejudice than she does as ‘transracial’

“But there’s more acceptance for gender fluidity than there is for race fluidity right now, and I don’t think anybody would deny that.”
um I would

Contender · Apr 2, 2017

Chechen police 'have rounded up more than 100 suspected gay men'

armistice · Apr 5, 2017

dorfmac said:

I had no idea that thread existed. Thanks for pointing it out. I'd copy/paste over there, but wouldn't want to take over two threads...

Thanks for your feedback. Those changes are easy enough and can definitely clarify things further for those who may not be familiar.

What about using transgender vs/and/or genderqueer? I include genderqueer in the terminology section, but I realized that I basically used transgender as a catch-all throughout the rest of the document. Is that something that's ok to do, or is transgender limiting with regards to the issue and including genderqueer would help open things up to where they should be?

LGBQ discrimination against trans people is a fairly common occurrence particularly within the wealthy, white and the otherwise bourgeois LGBQ community. If the intention is to be inclusive of transgender, genderqueer, and genderfluid people I think the distinction is important. Speaking for myself the gender binary has a practical reality in the world. While I wish it wasn't so ingrained into our society and work ultimately to dismantle it as often as possible, I approach that task as a trans woman and will defend my womanhood and femininity to the death.

There is a balance between the reality that is the true fluid and multi-dimensional nature of gender and the reality that is existence as a woman and feminine person in the world today vs existence as a man and masculine person in the world today vs existence as a genderqueer person in the world today vs existence as a genderfluid person in the world today.

Especially given the fact that you specifically note details about physically transitioning I think the distinction is important. I don't personally know anyone who identifies as genderqueer or genderfluid that has had FFS/FMS or SRS or even HRT now that I think about it, but that may be bias due to sample size and doesn't really effect the fact that trans culture and history are unique and stand on their own.

Also keep in mind the availability of language or descriptive capacity to give form to one's identity. It's possible that trans (and cis) people throughout history would have identified differently if the terms "genderqueer" and "genderfluid" would have been common while they were alive and vice versa, or hell even now if they haven't been exposed to them. The point is people's identities are unique and no one should ever be allowed to discriminate against a person because of how they identify and if they try they should get punched in the face.

iCarly Rae Jepsen · Apr 5, 2017

Barry Manilow Reveals Why He Didn’t Come Out for Decades: I Thought I Would ‘Disappoint’ Fans If They Knew I Was Gay

dorfmac · Apr 5, 2017

armistice said:

LGBQ discrimination against trans people is a fairly common occurrence particularly within the wealthy, white and the otherwise bourgeois LGBQ community. If the intention is to be inclusive of transgender, genderqueer, and genderfluid people I think the distinction is important. Speaking for myself the gender binary has a practical reality in the world. While I wish it wasn't so ingrained into our society and work ultimately to dismantle it as often as possible, I approach that task as a trans woman and will defend my womanhood and femininity to the death.

There is a balance between the reality that is the true fluid and multi-dimensional nature of gender and the reality that is existence as a woman and feminine person in the world today vs existence as a man and masculine person in the world today vs existence as a genderqueer person in the world today vs existence as a genderfluid person in the world today.

Especially given the fact that you specifically note details about physically transitioning I think the distinction is important. I don't personally know anyone who identifies as genderqueer or genderfluid that has had FFS/FMS or SRS or even HRT now that I think about it, but that may be bias due to sample size and doesn't really effect the fact that trans culture and history are unique and stand on their own.

Also keep in mind the availability of language or descriptive capacity to give form to one's identity. It's possible that trans (and cis) people throughout history would have identified differently if the terms "genderqueer" and "genderfluid" would have been common while they were alive and vice versa, or hell even now if they haven't been exposed to them. The point is people's identities are unique and no one should ever be allowed to discriminate against a person because of how they identify and if they try they should get punched in the face.

Thanks for the thorough and personal response. Unfortunately, it was a little late as I led the discussion on Monday night, but you will be happy to know that I did make the distinctions you mentioned. Overall, it went fine but of course the first thing everyone wanted to talk about was bathrooms and locker rooms. While I do think that those are important real-life applications of the topic, I did my best to point out that to boil it down to who uses what bathroom is a reductionist approach to the issue and attempted to keep it big picture.

mad · Apr 6, 2017

Julie Andrews' New Children's Show Features A Gender-Neutral Puppet
This show is gonna be so good!

mad · Apr 7, 2017

China's Biggest New 'Boy' Band Is Actually Genderless

domotime2 · Apr 10, 2017

Contender said:

Chechen police 'have rounded up more than 100 suspected gay men'

jesus just read about this! awful!!

aranea · Apr 11, 2017

DaydreamNation · Apr 11, 2017

mad said:

China's Biggest New 'Boy' Band Is Actually Genderless

What's China like in terms of LGBTQ rights and issues these days, generally? Just realized I have no idea but my presupposition would be they're not very good

Open question to the thread

iCarly Rae Jepsen · Apr 13, 2017

'Survivor' Contestant Opens Up About Being Outed as Transgender (Guest Column)

mad · Apr 14, 2017

North Carolina lawmakers introduce bill to ban same-sex marriage
uuuuuuuuggghhhhhhhh

BirdPerson · Apr 14, 2017

It won't go anywhere. Now if they could just take care of redistricting because holy gerrymandering Batman

Shakriel · Apr 14, 2017

mad said:

North Carolina lawmakers introduce bill to ban same-sex marriage
uuuuuuuuggghhhhhhhh

North Carolina bill banning same-sex marriage again won’t be heard, House speaker says

aranea · Apr 14, 2017

Joe Biden: Trump admin should address Chechen LGBTQ crisis with Russia

armistice · Apr 17, 2017

Good video and article to add to the repository of things to make ignorant people watch.

VIDEO: Issues of Power, Not Bathrooms

Listen, offer your time, your resources, offer up your networks, coin, your presence when needed to stand in solidarity with transgender and non-binary people against others and their institutions that wish to deny us the right to exist as who we are, who wish to enforce their will and interests on us and deny us the right to human agency and human decency. As long as you entertain the notion that everyone has a right to argue about this, you are maintaining the idea that the humanity of transgender and non-binary people is negotiable. This is not up for debate. Keep in mind that we have children to protect. Transwomen are women. Transmen are men. Trans and non-binary people exist, have been here, and will continue to be here.