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I said Carson would be out the day after the Iowa caucus. How he made it past Christie and Jeb! is still beyond me.

 

Poor Walker dropped out too early. I think if he stayed in, he would be the establishment torch bearer right now.

 

How is this "poor Walker"? The dude is a piece of trash.

 

Hah, easy man, I don't like Walker either. I'm just imagining him watching this shitshow and having lots of regrets. And he would certainly be a better candidate than Cruz or Trump (not saying much).

 

Wholly agree with that quote which is why even though I know voting for a small party won't in the grand scheme of things do all that much but at least I acknowledge my support for them instead of inadvertently giving a vote to the opposing parties.

 

Fair point.

 

How would Walker be a better candidate than Cruz?

 

cruz is the worst candidate running

 

Easily.

Trump says a lot of nonsense, but his tax plan isn't the worst.

Ted is human scum. He wants to restrict human rights. Fuck him.

 

Not saying Cruz is anything other than awful, but I'd put Walker in the same exact boat. He just dropped out too early to really show it on the national stage.

 

Last I checked, Trump is pretty big on restricting human rights too.

Both are woefully unqualified to be president.

 

This is fantastic. Love his perspective.

 

Nah, he's not hated by his own family.

 

I think Trump is just saying these things to get his base worked up. He says what dipshits want to hear.

I read he did an interview with the New York Times that was off the record. Cruz and Rubio did as well. I don't know what was say, but I read Cruz and Rubio wanted the interview released immediately. I'd love to hear what was said.

 

walker's not as bright or conniving as cruz, makes him slightly less dangerous politically

 

I feel like arguing politics on this site may be a waste of time.

I imagine the majority of people here tend to lean the similar way.

I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

 

I disagree. He's a less intelligent and less competent replica of Cruz. The difference is that he's actually implemented his silly right-wing policies (to great detriment) and he's much less skilled at disguising his corruption. If you were to strip Ted Cruz of his political savvy and Ivy League pedigree and make him a college flunk-out, you'd get Walker. And while Trump presents a real threat to further fragmenting the Republican party, Walker would be its ultimate incarnation: an establishment stooge who has completely sold out any resemblance of policy to private interests in the name of "small government" all the while building a corrupt and opaque state executive.

As far as candidates this cycle, Cruz and Walker make up the bottom wrung (just above the next tier of guys like Jindal and Carson), with both being ideologically vapid/dangerous but Walker being wholly more incompetent. If it were between those that group and Trump, I would very literally be hoping for a Donald presidency.

 

You say that like its a good thing. Really it just shows his lack of qualification. It's impossible to tell what the "real" Trump is and what is just pandering for votes.

 

The fact that he still has ~80% Republican approval in Wisconsin is hilarious. What could the guy do to get through to those morons that he's a POS.

 

I don't think it's a good thing. But I don't think Trump is as bigoted as he comes off. He's just playing the political game.

Wisconsin is full of idiots. Go figure.

 

I think both Cruz and Trump are dangerous, but in different ways. Cruz is dangerous because he knows exactly what he's doing. Trump is dangerous because he doesn't (arguably). Walker is just a piece of trash that Wisconsin republicans love. Probably because he HAS implemented so many right wing policies.

(Disclaimer: I'm not actually from Wisconsin. I'm originally from Northern Illinois.)

 

yeah. lets dispel the myth that ted cruz doesnt know what hes doing

 

". Trumpism, rather than being the nemesis of Clintonite triangulation, is its symptom and culmination. The long-term, structural complicity between these two political formations is what is missed both by those corralling progressive votes into the centrist fold, and those foolhardily hoping for Trump to make the system bleed.

The toxic and baleful political landscape that the two-party system has wrought in the US makes its destruction the pressing political concern for any radical concerned not only with the conditions the day after the election, but two, five, ten years after that. The lesser evil may be lesser on day two: but if that lesser evil also enables and maintains the system of evil itself, a system that also feeds the power of the greater evil, then the costs of supporting it outweigh the pros by far.

To vote for Clinton – for the Democratic establishment – is to vote for the candidate who actively sought a formal role in ‘welfare reform’ in the 1990s; who was instrumental to the rise of carceral politics and race-scapegoating in that decade; whose description of young black men as ‘superpredators’ was a powerful ideologeme of American racism and the self-same resentful white supremacy that now declares that Blue Lives Matter, and rallies to The Donald’s speeches; who is committed to Obama’s policies of drone warfare and the ‘War on Terror’ (and indeed, considers Obama a foreign policy wimp); who favours ‘triangulation’ on Islamophobia, trade treaties, and inequality-accelerating bank bailouts; and who is an experienced ally and defender of Wall Street. These have been key components in the recent toxic and abyssal politics from which Trump has risen. Hillary Clinton is a politician whose politics, poisonous in themselves, will also maintain the system that has given us Trump."

Lèse-Evilism: On the US Election Season | Salvage

 

I consider the fact that he's 'less competent' to mean he's less dangerous. The savviness of Cruz is what makes him so damn terrifying, and he's even more to the right than Walker is.

 

It does not matter if he is playing a game or not. He is legitimating violent racism.