Taking Back Sunday Band • Page 524

i always thought it was adam.

 

As someone who religiously read liner notes back in the day (I was super cool), none of this is news to me.

 

Oh it’s less about the production and more the influence he had from what we could see in the studio videos. Vividly remember him listening to a demo and being like "guys all the breakdowns, we have to cut that shit out" or something lol

 

yeah I remember in that doc Chris coming in with a new idea really excited and Squire just shuts him down and it really bums me out

 

LN is gr8, but tayf really has become a second blink untitled for me (as in: after all these years could still listen from start to finish every day)

 

180 from Orensanz is everything. Forgot how much I used to listen to it.

Also worth watching for the end of the little interview with Mark where he's praising Adam.

 

I think when self-titled came out, they said they didn't want to do it if it didn't feel natural to the song as they were afraid of it becoming too much of a gimmick or something like that. I think there's probably some middle ground between not doing it at all vs. it being gimmick-y, and sometimes I do wish we got a bit more of that back and forth, but I do kind of get what they mean by the songs they're writing now not really needing it.

I remember when they dropped Flicker, Fade and being excited about the use of it there.

 

I remember when they first dropped the teaser for The One and it was John’s post-chorus verse and it seemed the song might be a John-led song at first.

 

Okay fine I guess I’ll watch Live from Orensanz again.

Also, despite the auto-tuning on it, Live from Bamboozle 2009 is really great. It’s also quite Eddie-heavy as well. His guitar is quite loud in the mix for a change which is nice.

 

I don’t think I’ve listened to Live from Bamboozle in quite some time so listening to it at my desk right now and so far this rips. I wish Adam could still sound like this

 

The duel vocals rarely felt gimmicky to me on the first three albums. Ironically, sometimes it feels a little gimmicky when they do it now because it’s too often just John repeating what Adam just sang, whereas before it was more often a natural call and response style.

Though Adam and John both have more gruff sounding voices now, so the contrast isn’t as stark these days too.

 

It’s been so long since I listened to the Bamboozle album. I remember it being great.

 

I love that part of the song. Honestly moments like this and then his verse in Tidal Wave are the only things I am not crazy about hearing when it comes to the idea of Fred filling in for him on a tour, and part of me would be more interested in hearing Nathan do a bit more of the vocal duties in that case. I like the moment when his mic is turned up and you can really hear him.

 

Oh yeah, I agree with it never having seemed gimmicky before, but apparently one or multiple of them got it in their head that if they started writing to solely incorporate it into the songs, then it would be?

But it really was like their defining "thing" at the time, and I do miss it. I remember when the Maine put out Loved You A Little, John O said he wrote that song with the dual vocal TBS approach in mind (before he knew Adam was on board), and man...that was a good song that used it really well, and I had kind of maybe hoped that doing it and then spending all of Sad Summer with the Maine performing it would spark the idea in their heads again. (Though I guess 152 was complete by the time they went on tour so maybe for whatever comes next? Maybe?)

 

I am the biggest John fan out there, the Straylight Run albums are all timers for me, but based on live videos of recent performances, if anything those vocals are going to sound better with Fred. However, I totally agree with you that more Nathan is a good thing and they should lean into it and make him an official member, he's been playing with them longer than Fred, Fazzi or Rubano were in the band at this point.

 

His tenure has been longer than all 3 of those guys combined, which is crazy to think about

 

I don't like Fred's voice, personally. So maybe they'll technically sound better, but they won't sound right? I don't know if that makes sense to anybody but me.

As for Nathan being an "official" member, I think he's content where he is as a touring member (and he seems to have been upgraded; he used to help set up and break down the stage for set changes and now just plays with them), and he only very recently contributed to one song on 152. I don't know if he has any strong desire to write for TBS or be involved too heavily in the album making process.

 

I know I’ve referenced it before but that video of them from Warped Tour 2012 when John left for his son’s birth is so good. Nathan does all the second vocal parts for Ghost and Error Operator and it sounds like he had been doing it for years. He’s so good.

 

He has his own project called Fox Harbor that's more of a country-tinged thing, and while he's not the lead vocalist there either, the moments when he is taking the lead are so good. An all around talented (and incredibly nice) guy.

 

That makes perfect sense for sure! I hope that if John is taking a break for whatever reason that when he returns they'll all continue to write and tour together, they all have their own strengths.

 

Listening back to Live From Orensanz, and that performance of Decade Under the Influence just may be the most beautiful thing this band has ever recorded, live or in studio.

 

It really is so good. The Bamboozle album is so underrated too, I wish it got more attention to its greatness. Matt doing the vocals during the bridge of "MakeDamnSure" still gives me chills whenever I hear it.

 

totally agree but I did feel like the set list could have been upgraded slightly. They picked some deep cuts and I wish they would have done more from NA

 

Obviously this doesn't matter because they put what they wanted to on the live record, but they did two sets that night (an early one that was somewhat of a dress rehearsal, I guess, and then the one that was ultimately recorded), and I think they might have played more than what was released. It's been so long (15 years? Yikes?) that I can't remember specifically, but I do remember them doing multiple takes of Didn't See That Coming during the first set, and there was a bit more banter/crowd interaction during both sets than what made it to the DVD.

It was filmed right at the end of Fazzi and Rubano's tenure in the band though, so all of the editing and interviews happened while they were in the process of meeting back up with John and Shaun. I remember thinking that it would probably never see the light of day once they announced they were back, so I was really surprised when they did announce it would come out (after they'd already played the first shows back with John and Shaun, too). I guess they had some kind of obligation to it, though.

 

Oh whoops I just realized that you were talking about Orensanz and not Bamboozle. I was talking about Bamboozle.