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I figured it's finally time to watch all of the Dave Filoni series in their entirety since it seems like the mainline live action Star Wars stuff is drawing mostly on canon and characters from that now. It seems kinda necessary.

 

Well, fellas, do we agree with this?

 

Not much of a wine person.

 

Please help me understand something about Star Wars canon:

Sooo Obi Wan discovers a conspiracy around the creation of a clone army that directly leads back to Count Dooku on Geonosis, and when Palpatine uses emergency powers to activate that same clone army that he knows and has proof was created under weird shady means he's just like "ok whatever let's just roll with that, ima be the clone army's general now" ? Does Obi Wan's investigation into Kamino and Syfo Dyas and his discovery of the Fett link get brought back up post-AotC?

Maybe i need to watch episode II again.

 

I thought this was a good response so I’m copying it:

Yoda and Obi-wan did not trust the clone army, which is why Obi-wan pursued Jango Fett and went to Kamino in the first place.

But you have to understand the desperate situation they were in, and who put them there in the first place.

The story was building since Episode 1: the Trade Federation blockaded a peaceful planet, Naboo, in the hopes of winning favorable circumstances in the Republic Senate. But Chancellor Valorum was curiously unable to rouse the Senate to send military aid. In the end, Naboo had to rely on the Gungans to win and stop the blockade. The discord in the Senate and the subsequent forced vote that ousted Valorum from Chancellorship was a carefully crafted political ploy. Once in place as Chancellor, Palpatine placed himself between the Jedi and the directionless chaos that was the senate as a supporter, all the while goading his Separatist disciple Count Dooku to rouse the armies of Geonosis et al. He maneuvered the Jedi (who were largely unable to help in the last conflict) into a position where they were the only ones who could help, because the possibility of raising a Republic Army by the time the Separatists began their move would have been impossible. So the Jedi, as the galaxy's peacekeepers, are forced to “not look a gift horse in the mouth" and take command of the secret Clone Army. As the Jedi took command of the army and fought to protect the Republic, Palpatine sowed more discord and discontentment and rumour, eroding the foundation of the Jedi reputation, by insinuating a coup by the Jedi with their secret army that one of their own paid for ten years ago. This allowed Sidious to vie for secret emergency legal powers and tacit permissions for programmes like Special Order 66, which was no doubt explained as a way to curtail a Jedi uprising.

The entire prequel trilogy is nothing but the tale of some absolutely phenomenal political maneuvering.

It was meant to highlight just how dangerous, intelligent, and utterly ruthless the Emperor is: it made him the perfect villain to defeat in the original trilogy. He managed to destroy almost every Jedi in The Order, and he did so with Wealth and Words.

So no, the Jedi did not trust the existence of the Clone Army, but they were manipulated from the word “go" into having no choice but to command it and face their Separatist enemies in a largely artificial combat theatre.

 

been wanting to do this for a while. most i've gotten is the first season of TCW, but i got too busy after a bit and fell off. will probably attempt to watch them all after i'm caught up with Doctor Who again.

 

Yeah I am going to do chronologically so Clone Wars, then Bad Batch, then Rebels.

Resistance doesn't seem like it's necessary for the canon right now.

 

I have TPM on now.

One slight criticism right off the bat: they show their "Palpatine is behind everything" card wayyy too soon. Like in the first 5 minutes of the movie.

 

I would suggest Tales of the Jedi and Tales of the Empire while you’re at it. Gives a little extra context to certain characters and is a quick watch.

 

Just did both last night

 

Almost like everyone would have already known if they saw the previous three films.

 

Yes but to show him in full black hood pulling the strings literally 4 minutes in instead of building anticipation up for that until at least the 2nd act seems kinda weird. Strange choice.

 

i'll get around to Resistance eventually. iirc, it's definitely more geared towards children than the other animated shows (save for Young Jedi Adventures), so it's not a high priority (its connection to the sequels isn't a problem for me), but i'm definitely not opposed to watching, especially given that it's shorter than the others.

 

I guess I see it both ways. On the one hand, you could try to have the audience guessing and make a show of it, and it would play better chronologically.

Or, you could just say the audience already knows, so there's no real purpose to hide it.

 

Resistance is the only animated show I would say is overall bad. It gets a little better towards the end, but I find the main character annoying the entire show. Makes it a rough watch.

 

You can assume a large part of the audience knows and still build up to that reveal. They should have showed Palpatine as a senator first before they showed him as Sidious.

 

Re: the debate around the Acolyte about the Jedi Council years later claiming the Sith are extinct when a bunch of Jedi encounter a Sith in the trailer.

During the scene in Phantom two of the younger Jedi Masters are the ones that say the Sith have been gone for a millennia, but Yoda just gives a little sideeye and just says "ah...hard to see the dark side is..." I bet you they're going to reveal that Yoda knew that the Sith are still out there and was covering it up. It'll make sense in context of that scene

 

No.

 

My opinions on that movie haven't really changed despite re-watching it yearly. It's fine. Doesn't really do much or mean anything, and it REEEEEEEEEEALLY depends on a lot of outside work (other films/cartoons/comics etc) to make any of its characters meaningful.

 

I like that Filoni made Anakin a lot less creepy in the cartoon than he is in Episode II . Lucas wasn't one for subtlety lol

 

I don't understand that tweet, we knew the end of the story before TPM came out so what are they saying is the long game?

And yes, Clone Wars Anakin is a much better portrayal of the character and actually has some emotion and likeability to him

 

I’ve been going through clone wars and have been rating every episode and determining if they are required viewing or not. Hoping to get it down to 50-60 episodes so when I rewatch I just watch those. Also will give the list to my friends to try and get them to watch since no one wants to spend the time on the 130 episodes or whatever it is.

 

Excited to see what shows up in your highest rated list

 

Good luck. People have done guides like this for Star Trek and they were really helpful when I was going through TNG.

For reference/inspiration