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neil isn’t actually max, he’s just a landlord trying to collect rent

 

The vibe is different. It wants to say different things are cool but its still wants to ingore things like Miami Vice did and was critised from when it came out.

 

Gotta agree with this.

 

I haven’t seen Tenet but I am absolutely vibes>plot

 

You can have both

 

Oppenheimer
Dunkirk
Prestige
Memento
The Dark Knight
Insomnia
Following
Inception
Batman Begins
Interstellar
Tenet = Dark Knight Rises

 

Story > Plot

Oppenheimer and Dunkirk are easily my top 2 Nolans. Both masterpieces

 

Dunkirk is his best

 

The importance of plot vs “vibes” or whatever other elements depends on the context of the work but I do think a lot of modern audiences focus too much on plot. Lots of twitter/tik tok personalities make content about interesting works but focus on “plot holes” or how they think something didn’t make sense and it’s a bummer to go into a work of art and come out with that narrow response, and I feel bad for them. Overall if a work contains paradoxes and conflicts with itself, if it’s a rich and well crafted work as a whole, sitting with the challenges of those perceived inconsistencies is an important part of the experience and being an engaged audience.

That is a different thing than an artist who made something bad and produced a scattered and confused work, but I think some people assume something that they didn’t respond to well in the moment is indicative of the latter, when may be an instance of the former.

 

Plus the nudity, the intensity of the scene, etc. stand in contrast to the elite academia and theoretical jostling we’ve seen so far. Yes, he is in fact a human man and all these important discoveries and decisions are inherently tied to corporal, carnal bodies…something that haunts him later.

 

Oppenheimer
The Dark Knight
Interstellar
Memento
Inception
Dunkirk
The Prestige
The Dark Knight Rises
Batman Begins
Tenet
Insomnia

He’s never made a bad one

 

Plot is overrated. I can watch a whole film about Sam Wilson trying to get a bank loan. Characters > plot.

(I love plot too, but it's better if you have Characters, with a capital C)

((I know that's not the argument, but I just want to be a part of this conversation. ))

 

There are plot-heavy films and non-plot heavy films. They are trying to do very different things, so it would be like criticizing a drama for not being a comedy.

However, that feels like it is being retroactively applied to Tenet. It is a plot-heavy film. The logic of the time travel thing does not really work but you can just ignore it.

 

you can ignore it, sure, but if you do, there's very little else to latch onto in the film

 

I will take that over the clunky political commentary of the Batman movies.

 

You latch on to watching backwards time fights. If you don't want to watch those your In the wrong place. It's the only movie ever with them.

 

ok

 

The idea than an Avenger would be incapable of getting a bank loan is genuinely hilarious.

 

Listen, you have to approach it where it lives. And it lives in a world where a super-powered national military hero would still be subjected to the same petty bigotry as anyone else.

By "it" I mean the plot, not Sam.

 

Racism

 

100% agreed. I love a lot of movies where "nothing happens".

 

When you look back at your favorite moments from shows or movies, it is usually the character moments that resonate. Plots come and go.

 

And the plot moments that to stick out as the first thing I remember are all from deeply flawed shows like LOST and Game of Thrones.

 

This is extremely true. Great characters can elevate even the most ridiculous plot.

 

I think of Friday Night Lights as a prime example. There are some really dumb plot developments, but those characters are so endearing that you can make it through it.