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This is crazy

 

Got our primary ballot yesterday and immediately threw them in the trash lol

 

So many takes on TDS, mostly extremely dumb.

1) it was extremely funny and goes to show that nobody has the comedic timing / chops of Jon Stewart. The election is an uncomfortable impending event for many including myself, and I still burst out laughing.

2) I'd really like to meet someone who is so happy with Biden that they think he's above criticism. Electile disfunction indeed that these are our choices. No one is happy, and no one should be made to feel like they have to be. An 81 year old president, 12 years past retirement age, doing the most stressful job in the entire world, is bonkers, just flat out nuts. He could be sharp as anything, but it's still just dumb we collectively can't decide on somebody better / younger. I don't care if that's ageism (though I'd argue pretty convincingly that it isn't...).

From 50-70, you're experienced. 70+ take a seat back and share your wisdom and get out the way.

 

Blame the DNC.

 

It aint the DNC's fault...no one was mounting a serious challenge to a sitting president incumbent. For all the talk about his approval ratings, he's still at like 80-85% approval with Dems. Most people like incumbents/don't want to switch up, especially if it's over something like age rather than policy disagreements. Like if Biden got into office and immediately cut taxes for the rich and increased incarceration for drugs and raised taxes on the middle class and cut Medicaid and medicare and social security and etc, then maybe people would want to replace him because he was doing Republican platform instead of Dem. But most Dem voters seem pretty content with him as the nominee despite his age.

 

nah, DNC got a crappy farm system if they don't have any serious prospects behind an incredibly unserious incumbent

 

I have to say it's been really illuminating seeing how allergic the MSNBC-heads are to hearing funny, sharp criticism of Biden. It's easy to hand wave away some ding dong on Fox News acting like it's his first time at an open mic night or a Blue Check calling him a cuck. I'm not saying Stewart is going to have a huge effect on the current political climate, but I thought it was super refreshing to have this little time capsule return.

 

I mean they have what people would call "Serious prospects" I would think (Pete, WHitmer, Newsome, etc), but none of them were going to be seen favorably by the democratic electorate if they challenged Biden. THey'd basically nuke their own possible futures if they tried IMO

 

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Its 150% the DNC's fault that no one was mounting a serious challenge to Biden

The DNC are one of the main culprits behind the Bernie getting pillared for "costing Hillary the election" in 2016

If Newsome or Pritzker or Mayo Pete or anyone else ran against Biden and failed to secure the nomination, and then Biden lost (or even if he won), they would be turend into a villan and lose whatever hopes they have at winning in 2028.

DNC made it clear they don't want dissent, you can't now go "why didn't anyone dissent" without blaming the DNC

 

I don't think you need the DNC to do any of that--the democratic primary voters would do it themselves. Self identified Dems approve of Biden at a 80% clip!

 

80% approval for a sitting president of your own party is pretty abysmal

 

But not nearly bad enough for anyone to mount a serious primary challenge. You're fooling yourself if you think people like Newsome didn't hire people to look into the viability of a run, realize they'd get crushed because the base of the party doesn't want a primary challenge to an incumbent, and decide not to do it.

 

they're also responsible for letting biden run in 2020, putting them in this crappy position. just like they had the power to coalesce candidates behind biden they could have prevented him from candidacy

 

Yeah they backed Biden to get us to this place so I don’t know how you can say the dnc escapes blame

 

so either they put out a crappy qb with no decent back ups or he does have decent back ups, the DNC just doesn't want to take biden out and out them in

 

I agree, I thought it was weird that they decided to go in for him instead of one of the younger candidates, but I suspect it had a lot to do with none of younger ones being able to really separate themselves as an early favorite in the first three primaries/caucuses, and South Carolina was coming up and the only one of them polling good with black voters was Biden. Pete and Amy basically didn't exist for black voters lol.

But "letting him run" I think gives the political parties too much power. This isn't hte DNC and GOP of old sitting in back smoke filled rooms choosing candidates. The primary system has democratized the process a lot. Otherwise the GOP probably would have killed Trump's candidacy in its infancy in 2015

 

Do wonder if Covid was not going on would have Biden won in 2020, feel like that had a ton of impact on anybody else winning.

 

but again, its the DNC that cultivated that environment where the base of the party is downright hostile to any challenge to the status quo

 

yeah true could def be a part of it. People (especially dem base/black voters) wanted someone steady/calm/familiar to counter the chaos of Trump/world falling apart with COVID. Could def see that.

 

I think that gives the DNC way too much power. Voters historically have not been super keen on challenging incumbent presidents. Think about how divided the GOP became on Trump, and then remember John Kasich and others declined to try and primary him in 2020 haha.