Marvel Cinematic Universe Movie • Page 325

I wasn’t actually trying to gotcha you I just assumed you’ve gone to see it already

 

Sorry, I explained in the film thread that I won't see the film until after my mom and I are caught up on Ms. Marvel and Secret Invasion, and no forum-at-large, that is not an invitation to tell me we don't need to watch Secret Invasion.

 

Finished Ms. Marvel. I won't bore people with how much I enjoyed it, but I love that her mom ended up making her costume. Very heartwarming.

 

I loved the whole side of that show that dealt with her family and community so much. beautiful stuff

 

In my defense, I wasn’t saying you shouldn’t watch Secret Invasion. Just that it wasn’t necessary to the plot here. I liked some of Secret Invasion.

 

Wasn't trying to personally call you out, and I know you didn't mean any harm.

 

Good

 

Bring in Doom.

 

Just redo thanos

 

You would be on the side of big purple guys.

 

If you really think about it thano’s idea really wasn’t that bad

 

Thanos had good intentions. Just bad ways of going about them.

 

Thanos makes more sense if you reason his idea with survivor’s guilt. An attempt for him to prove that he knew he was correct.

 

Just recast Kang. Stop being scared of recasting

 

I don’t think they’re scared of recasting, I think they’re scared of the audience reaction/lack of interest with Kang as the villain they were building. I would not be surprised if they pivot to Doom

 

It sucks because Kang is such a cool concept for a villain.

To be fair, Thanos was just as unknown as Kang to the general public and only made two or three cameo appearances before Infinity War.

It is possible to make an unknown character work, but I also think Ant-Man was the wrong vehicle to use for him.

They actually probably should have had a New Avengers film that teased Kang at the end.

Maybe something related to the concept of incursions that WandaVision and Dr. Strange introduced. Although I guess that’s what Secret Wars will be.

 

If I were in the room brainstorming how to pivot, here’s what I’d pitch.

- Avengers: Kang Dynasty is dead.

- Prioritize a Young Avengers movie, and make it center around a version of Iron Lad. Use that as your in to write out Kang as he’s existed thus far.

- Rework and focus on an Armor Wars movie (maybe renamed “Iron Man: Armor Wars” to catch casual audiences’ attention), that in some capacity involves Doom. Not as the big bad, but like, in the same way that Guardians helped establish Thanos.

- Also give Doom at least a credits appearance in the aforementioned Young Avengers. And, obviously have him prominent in some way in Fantastic Four.

- The big threats of Secret Wars are now the Beyonder and Doom. It’s a blend of the original 80s Secret Wars and the more modern Hickman one.

- If Secret Wars is two parts, or if there’s a substitute for Kang Dynasty that’s some version of “Time Runs Out” (maybe with the Fox X-Men universe in the role Ultimate Marvel had in the comics), then before the final Secret Wars movie… do a couple movies set in the Battleworld centered on non-MCU worlds. Maybe one could be, like, an X-Men thing inspired by one of the many comics alt reality/future stories? And the other could be a Sony/Marvel collab with Andrew Garfield and some of Sony’s other stuff?

- Finally… use this time of strikes to get some dang scripts that work finalized, so they don’t bounce back doing the same “shoot without a script” bullshit. And giving the directors & VFX teams & other departments more time to make sure there’s a healthy plan so that these projects don’t look like shit.

 

While I don't think a film should be shot completely without a script, the improv nature of some films has led to some of the MCUs best moments, so I think it's more about finding a balance.

 

“Having a script” doesn’t negate the room for finding new things on set (whether in one of these or a more serious film).

Treating these as an assembly line where they’re shooting without yet knowing the ending? That’s not a good thing!

 

Well no, they should definitely have an ending.

 

yep. recasting doesn't solve the problem with the character lol and it's dumb to keep bringing it up that way.

 

Even though I enjoyed Love And Thunder, this is good. Both because change is good and because of Waititi being kind of a dick lately.

 

Going back to Kang vs. Thanos, I think part of the problem is that Kang was introduced in a Disney+ show vs. an Avengers film, so I think the problem can just as easily be that audiences don't know they're supposed to care.

Like, that tag at the end of Avengers made clear that even if you didn't know who Thanos was, he was a big deal. They didn't do the same for Kang.