The Early November Band • Page 20

Bummed there's nothing close to me, but I figured as much. Really cool that they're doing west coast shows as well though!

 

shout out to every band ever for hating on the south east (maybe not without good reason tho, i'll be real)

 

Yeah Outside, Truth Is... I'm gonna be crying a lot during this.

 

"Outside" is probably a top 5 TEN song for me. Never knew others loved it so much too. Neat.

 

Best song on the triple disk for me

 

Is it My Fault is dope

 

i have money in his hand lyrics tattooed on my arm and i still have never seen that song live so i'll be dead from track one

 

Sparrow Sleeps

Ace and a lot of artists are featured on this new childrens album. And it's amazing, ha.

 

Would they rather do an imbue tour I feel like there are so many songs on that record we haven't heard live

 

i really strongly dislike the person who puts those together, heh

 

Any reason?

 

I don't like when you are vague about this bc it's hard to know why but you usually have a good reason lol

 

eh he didn't do anything bad, he was a member of VC who posted a lot and always just tried to be funny and was kind of the worst, was pressing this YMAEWK record and apparently had tests done but it never came out and he always said it would. just rubbed me the wrong way, don't like him as a dude

 

You'll see me in the fuckin pit during Car In 20.

 

hopefully these shows find their way online in a high quality format. some of these these are gonna be incredible live.

 

OOOH, possible DVD for those of us who can't attend? That would be so sick

 

I would (still) really, really love a live album from this band, but I'm pretty confident they've given up on that after like three failed attempts and an actual DVD + Recording in the Drive Thru vault.

 

Fuck Drive Thru, there's no reason not to release the TEN B-Sides and DVD, or at least give it to the band to release and split profits or something. UGH.

 

does Drive Thru own anything? Aren't they like dead as a label?

 

I think they are dead as a label, yes, but that doesn't mean you relinquish what you had a ownership of (through contract) when that business was in operation.

 

so they get to die and take everything they owned with them? that's dark
what would it take to relinquish the rights? bankruptcy? just asking cause I think i've seen that happen

 

Basically, because The Early November was in a contract with Drive Thru Records at the time, it was on Drive Thru's investment / expense that the show was even recorded in the first place (video and audio equipment, editing, mixing, production .... everything that it entails to make a Live DVD) so they own the rights to the footage.

 

Yes, they still own the rights, just as they (still) own the rights to literally every song recorded while a band was under contract with them. Basically, in simplistic layman's terms, bands accepted an offer by Drive Thru that Drive Thru would fund their recording and touring in exchange for the rights to what they make (music) (so they can sell it) forever / indefinitely / can use the band's work as they see fit (like not releasing something if it sucks or they can't afford it). This is how most record deals still work. This is why so many albums are in label purgatory. Bands do not understand how strictly they are limiting themselves and their work when under a label.

When all of TEN's old albums were repressed, the company repressing had to pay a serious chunk of change to DTR (I.e. the previous owners of the label) to obtain license to the recorded songs...because DTR still owns them through their old contracts. I've heard that DTR also asks for a BIG cut of the profits which is why represses of DTR albums still aren't common today - they're not very economically feasible (cost-benefit/profit wise) unless a large amount will be sold.

To answer your question there are two ways to obtain rights: buy them from the label assuming they're willing to sell, or take the company to court. Litigation is unlikely though, as most courts will probably be very hesitant to break a valid contract such as it.

 

It's not to say that all labels are terrible entities or all bands are dumb about these things, but it happens a ton. DTR exploited a young Early November (as well as many other young DTR bands) who were so eager to get on the label because it meant instant success, big tours, and a label that was willing to put up big money for the young band (new equipment, amps, gear, gas money). So I'm sure it felt and was worth it at the time. Signing such a deal helped TEN start their career. However, The Early November singed something like a 7 to 9 album record deal. Luckily because Ace was so prolific, he was able to make that amount of music so he wasn't stuck with a dead label, but something like that is the reason why there was a Drive Thru logo slapped on When I Hit Ground, a record released by Vagrant.

 

Signing a contract for 7 to 9 albums sounds incredibly...i don't know, ambitious? naive? how many bands or artists make it to that many albums?? that's insane. I get why a band would sign it though, but from an outsiders perspective, my jaw is on the floor. That whole bit of history has my jaw on the floor, I guess I didn't know anything about the way the labels work when they're more corporate but I didn't expect the exploitation to run so deep. Ace really was lucky being so prolific, I wonder if he realized he made a mistake and tried hard to get out as fast as possible or if that would've happened anyway