2023-2024 NCAA Football Season Thread • Page 175

3 point loss on the road in a tough place to play, have thoroughly destroyed every other conference opponent while UW has looked shaky, I think the ducks take a rematch especially at a neutral site

 

I will never understand ranking on hypothetical rematches and the eye test over actual, factual results.

 

1. Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU
2. Bo Nix, QB, Oregon
3. Malik Nabers, WR, LSU
4. Ollie Gordon II, RB, Oklahoma State
5. J.J. McCarthy, QB, Michigan
6. Audric Estime, RB, Notre Dame
7. Tyler Nubin, S, Minnesota
8. Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State
9. Caleb Williams, QB, USC
10. Jonathan Brooks, RB, Texas

It's pretty much 1, 2-7, 8+

Jalen Green, EDGE, James Madison
Michael Penix Jr., QB, Washington
Dillon Gabriel, QB, Oklahoma
Malik Washington, WR, Virginia

are also worth consideration but I feel like if I leave Caleb and Marvin off I'll get murdered

 

I have Tennessee ranked above Florida

 

Why would you leave Marv off?

 

7-2 and 4-5 is a bit different than 8-0 and 7-1 where the loss is to the 8-0 team. I’m talking about same or better records with h2h.

 

I was mostly just saying no one would care if I didn't mention Jonathan Brooks.

There's a 2 point difference in points scored against common opponents but a 40 point difference in points allowed.

 

He’s not really close to the stats that smith put up to win the award. So although he is probably the best player in college his stats won’t put him near the podium I’d say.

 

head to head has to matter more or there’s no purpose in playing, imo.

 

Penix would be the worst Heisman winner since Jason White

 

I definitely have UW ahead of Oregon right now because of that

but also I acknowledge that, if a one loss Oregon beats UW in the championship game by any score, it doesn’t matter what happened in the first game — Oregon is the higher ranked team for winning the conference. So, in that sense, anything before that game is meaningless and just your guess as to who wins the rematch and Elf is basically just saying he thinks Oregon wins the projected rematch

(ditto on UGA/Bama and OSU/Michigan right now, since those are essentially play-in games, although they won’t have a second H2H)

 

OSU beating Michigan would be the exact same thing tbh.

 

I agree that if there’s a rematch and it’s a championship game, that does matter more (though, gets complicated if a 10-2 Oregon upsets a 12-0 Washington, for an example).

I just think until that moment, you can’t put Oregon ahead of Washington.

It doesn’t matter now, but when Oklahoma lost their first, I would’ve kept them ahead of Texas for the same reason (even though that meant the ranking wouldn’t have changed) the next week. Same with Texas always being ahead of Bama while their records match. (I think Bama beats Texas in a game today.)

 

If you think Alabama is the better team but still have Texas ahead then that makes no sense.

 

Admitting my bias as a Bama fan right away, but it will be interesting to see how the committee treats that Texas/Bama game as it’s clear that Bama has greatly improved since then and Texas hasn’t been as impressive lately (mostly due to Ewers’s injury). At this point I still think Texas would/should be above Bama if both win out, but that seems like the type of game that has been downplayed in years past.

 

Sure it does. Texas beat Alabama and they have identical records. Facts determine ranking. Milroe became Superman and Ewers got injured. Completely changes the result if the game is played today. But that’s not how you rationally rank anything. You rank what happened on the field. Which was a ten point Texas win.

 

You rank the team as a whole, not just what happened in one week. It's ranking every team as it stands right now. Alabama has improved every week and looks much better. Texas hasn't and doesn't. Also, you absolutely take into account things like injuries. Like, why would't you, that doesn't make any sense.

 

Yeah, but that one week in instances like this are a clear and factual tiebreaker! Bama is not better than Texas because the game determined that. Period. We have the film. You cannot rank a team that’s lost to another team ahead of them if they have the same record and be legitimate to the actual sport. Yeah, Bama has only gotten better and would easily fall into a higher power ranking on the day, but it only makes Texas’s win look better.

Texas and Bama win out as conference champs, you simply can’t put Bama ahead of them. It de-incentivizes OOC matchups 1000%. If getting a marquee win early on does nothing for you as rankings roll out, schedule the cupcakes if only November matters. It’s worked well for Georgia and Michigan this year (I know the SEC forced Georgia to cancel a matchup with Oklahoma).

As to injuries, teams shouldn’t be docked anything until a result on the field warrants it. Next man up is a thing in every team sport ever played. Hell, a back-up won the Natty for Bama in the last decade. Saying a team doesn’t deserve a shot over one player’s injury is an absolute diss to the other 65+ scholarship players playing.

 

Losing one game does not mean you are worse than that team. Mediocre teams upset a major team every year. That doesn't mean they're better overall. 2014 Ohio State lost to Virginia Tech, 2016 Clemson lost to Pittsburgh. You have to look at the whole entire picture.

Those cupcakes are why Michigan can lose to Ohio State and they're still the better team - if you struggle against weak competition, I don't care that you had one good game to make up for it. Or if you let a bad offense walk all over you like Washington did, while Oregon shut them down and did just as good on offense, that's telling. The whole year matters, not just November and not just one game played in September either. I'm judging the team as a whole.

If a team loses the entire reason it's winning, it's safe to assume they won't be as good. Alabama and Ohio State and Georgia are stacked to the absolute brim. Other teams don't have that luxury necessarily. Some might - Washington's got a good QB waiting. LSU? Not so much. We saw immediately how different the game is without Daniels and I absolutely think they aren't as good of a team without him.

 

I personally don’t care about margin of victory as much as you do

sometimes matters more for predictive measures, but you play to win the game, not to win by 31 vs win by 10, or to lose by one possession to a good team multiple times

 

The Committee was created to be able to take all those extra factors (injuries, eye test, OOC schedule, etc.) into account, for better or worse. BCS era and I don’t think this would be a question, but the human element makes it at least a discussion. Look at last week we’re OU was 2 spots below Texas, who they had the same record as and beat, but got dropped due to eye test and a close loss the week before. It’s why they say if you’re gonna lose, lose early.

 

If this is Arkansas slander i won't stand for it. That 3-6 piece of shit can play anyone.

 

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Thats fair.