Accountability in Music • Page 778

considering how much money is in millennial emo nostalgia at the moment, i feel like a brand new reunion is an inevitability unless someone within the band is against it tbh.

 

I think you're overestimating things. Online nostalgia fandom does not equate to actual ticket sales. I'm sure Brand New could make some money, but I don't think they'd be raking it in. They would've come back already if that was the case.

 

they would 100% sell out a tour doing like 3k-5k sized venues. in a heartbeat. most people suck and would still love to see them.

 

think we're gonna have to disagree here. given the bands and scenes of a certain scale i'm more familiar with - e.g., thrice can effectively sell out multiple legs of a the artist in the ambulance album tour or have heart can bring 9000 hardcore kids to see them in worcester, brand new could easily sell out 2k venues consistently if they did a reunion run in a major market or an arena on long island if they went that route. the gen pop people i knew who were into back when they were in their heyday would welcome them back with open arms for the most part.

beyond that, i don't think i should really comment on this anymore. doesn't feel like the appropriate place to speculate about how a band we generally all revile here would do if they came back.

 

this is just another example of us not realizing how small this corner of the internet really is. there is a 110% certainty that a comeback tour would sell huge numbers across the board. we dont really even need to be having this conversation, its not worth speculating over.

 

Yeah this band’s fanbase is a cult-like. Between that and the nostalgia, they’d absolutely sell out a ton of venues if they ever returned to any touring capacity

 

They would be playing similar venues or bigger than what Yellowcard just did. They were nearly that size already when they broke up.

 

Everyone on the subreddit would definitely go, also I still see like random screen names on discord that are brand new related constantly. It’s sad but they could forsure come back, and still have a huge fan base

 

they'd probably sell out MSG again

 

what if their friends/family-only performance wasn’t a one-off, and there is something maybe brewing in the pipeline?

it’s been seven years since the “official” cancellation and I still have friends who absolutely love the band and have completely ignored the allegations. there are folks well beyond this corner of the internet who WILL buy into a nostalgia-fueled need to see this band.

and once again, I guess it kind of bears stating that bands like tiny moving parts can still tour, and people like morgan wallen can get away with saying awful stuff and then make waves on the charts because people just want to listen to the music and disregard everything bad.

 

Yeah I told my one friend about what’s going on and they were actually excited. They said no charges were pressed against Jesse so they don’t care. I was dumbfounded

 

I can’t speak on behalf of the other victims, but I know I am unsurprised and full of rage at his gall. Especially unsurprised that he has accrued a new team of bottom-feeders who knew damn well that they weren’t supposed to post anything about that show, but did anyway for clout and complete disregard for the harm he caused others.

What I want everyone who reads this to understand is that JL did much more hurt to more people than any of you know. Illegal things that I’m even scared to elude to while using an alias… the dude doesn’t deserve a platform to make money off of the art he used to abuse and manipulate GIRLS.

Just trust me. And please keep getting pissed off when he shows his face in public. He’s lucky he isn’t spending his time in a cell.

 

I’ve been thinking a lot over the past couple months about the great, societal impact of cancel culture and the great, societal failings of cancel culture. I’ve never articulated this perspective outside of my own brain, so I apologize if anything reads as clumsy or half-baked. It may be. I offer these thoughts with compassion and a genuine curiosity as to how others here perceive the impact of cancel culture and whether or not it is actually accomplishing enough.

Back in 2017 when the Me-Too movement caused a sudden, seismic shift in the cultural/societal landscape, I fully supported the rounding up and excommunication of serial abusers from the industries they preyed within. Six years later, my support for that shift is just as strong. I believe that it is just for anyone in a position of power to consequently lose their position of power due to an abuse of their position of power. That initial phase of cancel culture was and continues to be a meaningful and impactful win for the accountability of abusers.

What I’ve come to challenge, both within myself and our society as a whole, is how the completion of that initial phase was ever deemed enough. It’s hard to identify any sense of urgency to continue meaningful advocacy beyond the initial phase of cancellation. In laymen’s terms, what I mean is this: if we advocate for the sudden excommunication of an abuser from a certain segment of society (read, perhaps, “scene”, “industry”) with a callous disregard for the effect of an abusers sudden immersion into another segment of society, we’ve advocated for nothing of lasting impact. In the short hand, we’ve rid ourselves of the stain of an abuser by casting them outside of our circle. In the long run, we’ve cast them out to prey and abuse upon another, perhaps unwitting circle. The cycle of abuse continues. This rhetoric is something I find super prevalent in this music scene and, frankly, on this site, and I am no less culpable of it. But I’m beginning to question just how short sighted that is. A public figure may roll over and die due to allegations, but the abuser within does not. They carry on and the cycle repeats.

I don’t have the answers. The questions are nuanced and our perspectives are subjective. But when I consider a worthy torch of advocacy to carry into that second phase of cancellation, I think there’s value in promoting methods of rehabilitation to end the cycle of abuse. If not in the interest of the abuser, then most certainly in the interest of the innocent people left to be victimized within the circle of his second phase.

That’s all I got. Felt good to brain dump so thanks for bearing with me, and thanks for reading.

 

Little silly to think these bands that tour with just as shitty people for less money than they'd make with Brand New wouldn't play a fest with them lol come on.

 

A band willfully touring with Brand New in 2023? Roast their ass.

On a big festival bill, where they hypothetically might not be playing the same day? That’s a tougher call IMO. Sacrificing income and potential new fans because Brand New sucks isn’t something I feel okay expecting from a less-established artist who may not be in a position to take that hit.

 

Meet Me @ the Altar and nothing,nowhere dropped off of All Time Low's tour when allegations came out. It's doable for them to take stands and it should be expected.

 

Steven Tyler is considered a legend and he kidnapped and sexually assaulted a teenager. Xxxtentacion beat a pregnant girlfriend and he’s considered “gone too soon”. Motley Crue gang raped a girl and just completed their biggest tour ever. Olly abused women and BMTH are somehow bigger than ever and touring with FOB.

People don’t give a fuck. If Brand New comes back they’ll be successful.

 

tbh that was pretty orchestrated since I think all those bands share teams behind the scenes so it was less of taking a stand and more of a safe distancing that played well. But the point that bands can and should dip from sketchy situations stands.

 

Obviously the label making a 22 year old girl work with a predator are the bad ones

 

Man fuck this guy

 

jesus christ

 

disgusting

 

Holy shit lol. What an asshole

 

a dull simple-minded man with an outdated racist and misogynistic outlook on music