Invasion of Ukraine • Page 137

Former WA Rep. Matt Shea, accused of domestic terrorism, working to secure adoptions for Ukrainian children in Poland – The Seattle Times

Controversial ex-lawmaker accused of trying to bring 60 Ukrainian orphans to US

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_(intelligence)

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Dirlewanger

 

Not even bothering to block quote what you want people to read from those links

 

The US does human trafficking at a scale unrivaled in the world every day. All events happen due to the sum of all previous events. Oskar Dirlewanger was a baby rapist. Figured I wouldn’t need to repeat myself but if you need it!

 

Once again guys. On a serious note.

ruzzia started this war. West elites may be fucked, all right, but it’s not the today’s lesson topic.

in 2014, West decided: fuck it, let ruzzia have what they want and they’ll stop there.

in 2022, West decided to help, which we are forever grateful for. but not only because of us Ukrainians, but because of the precedent it creates. Ukraine would be ONLY a beginning.

Plus, we gave up nukes for “security guarantees” from US and ruzzia in mid 90s. And what do we see? :D “So here’s you guarantees, hope you, enjoy this time” (singing)

so yeah

G-d help me to make it through

But I love y’all guys still even if your views are different

gonna make a short video about current state of things in Kyiv and upload here (spoiler: everythin’s rather fine than not)

XO

 

Sophism.

So putin is a part of this evil western pedo ring or what? Why all these whataboutism? He’s a literal pedo who run the ducking country for 23 years. I dunno what else to say.

 

Chikatilo must be stopped and put into jail, says person A. Person B replies: but TED BUNDY WHAT ABOUT TET BUDNY

Yikes.

 

We were discussing whether there are any good guys here, what I’m at getting at is “no”

 

Also, yes, a hegemon has more influence on global events than the rest of the world. Russia/Putin chose to invade, but the West shaped the post-soviet world via imperialism and neocolonial usury and continues to do so. The tug of war over Ukraine and the political character of post-Soviet Russia were engineered by the West and without that engineering the circumstances which led to this war are different. Why are power dynamics so easy for liberals to understand in interpersonal conflicts but absent from their geopolitical analysis?

 

Someone having a different opinion than you or coming to a different conclusion after the same analysis does not mean that they just don't understand your argument.

 

can you post a map with arrows that point this directly to the moment where Russia decided to invade Ukraine, a sovereign nation free to join whatever it wills to? Seems like there is a gap theory here

 

Putin is in power because the west ensured Yeltsin was in power. Putin is a revanchist nationalist. Humiliated and plundered nations tend to lean in that direction - and we know who humiliated and plundered Russia.

 

I like that Beau posts here because it's nice to have a take from someone who is actually in the area where this is all happening.

 

And the years between that and when Russia mobilized troops into Ukraine against their own sovereignty? I think we can all hopefully agree nationalism is one of the worst drugs, but I can't develop sympathy or see myself not pull for the downfall of someone who invades another nation because of humiliation. Xi uses the same excuse. In the end I'd always see people who are fighting against a forced invasion as the "good ones."

 

It is not about excuses or justifications, it’s about predictability. Nationalist revanchism was a predictable path for Russia following the fall of the USSR and especially the election of Yeltsin, and if the West had any concern for the would-be (and now current) victims of that revanchism they wouldn’t have acted in a way that would predictably result in it.

Also yes the non nazi rank and file conscripts who were prevented from leaving Ukraine at the start of the war are heroes and “good guys” - the comprador Ukrainian government that conscripted them, it’s integrated regular Dirlewangerite regiments, and all who are turning Ukraine into “big Israel” are not.

 

There are so many factors and players into predictability that I don't see its relevance when discussing the full support for a people who are being invaded.

The Ukrainian people are "good guys," yes. You're picking a small amount of them to wipe up a wave of caution over the entire nation. The "bad guys" are any troops who lay boots within another nation for the sole purpose of slaughtering the people and forcing them to live their lives against their will. It's pretty black and white for me. Invaders of free civilians = bad; resisters = good

 

I take exception to your use of 'comprador' here.

 

Why? They aren’t anywhere near the halls of power where the decisions are made, they don’t have any special knowledge just because they are based in Ukraine. It’s the same reason why much of the history of the USSR which was written in the West before the opening of the archives in the early 90s is totally unreliable. Many of the linchpins of the Western interpretation of the USSR were based almost solely on memoirs, which led to an uncritical acceptance of rumours from persons not in a position to know. They’re not primary sources that cast light on central decision making, or even on events on a national scale.

 

I dunno, do whatever you want, but reading a bunch of people argue back and forth, day after day, who are all in other countries; it's just refreshing to have a voice in here from the one that's directly involved.

 

I think the viewpoint of the person whose country is actively being invaded by an outside aggressor, whose loved ones are being raped and murdered and ripped apart by missiles landing on them in their homes and schools and medical clinics is extremely crucial and valid and urgent.

At least as important as someone sitting in the halls of power on either side, if not moreso.

 

they are a national bourgeoisie whose interests are in line with the foreign policy of the greater imperialist US' bourgeoisie, who also happen to be selling out their economy to that imperialist power. thats a comprador class.

 

https://libertarianinstitute.org/ne...raining-forces-in-maine-to-fight-for-ukraine/

 

A summer camp for children -->

 

Chinese about that milk