Accountability in Music • Page 739

putting the onus on her victims to open up a dialogue with her isn’t the right move but the rest of it, sure whatever it’s not the worst statement, lots of bloated therapy speak to soften the edges, but she closed her management firm which frees up a lot of artists from her grasp and is “stepping away” whatever that means. wouldn’t be surprised if we see a bunch of bands jump ship anyway.

 

that first slide is confusing. they should've just said "she is no longer affiliated with SH" instead of saying "she will no longer be posting from any SH accounts". regardless, glad she's leaving.

 

I think this entire thing is an important reminder that even the most progressive facing record labels are run by the same kind of “ruthless” (see: abusive) business people you’d find in any other industry that strives for profits over people

 

is anyone else just tired of statements in general regardless of if its “good” or “bad”? like this has been going on for so fucking long it feels like and it never seems to end, just statement after statement after statement. I’m numb to it. Whether they make a good enough statement doesn’t even matter to me, I’m not personally impacted so why should I care. What I care about is that this keeps happening again and again with seemingly no end in sight. I guess you could argue there will always be people fucking up so there will always be statements but are things improving? is anything getting better? people may realize after they’ve made a mistake when thousands of social media posts point it out for them but why is that what it takes. It’s just getting exhausting at this point and I just hope for a better world in the music scene.

 

yeah I just gloss over statements because they're all the same - all that matters to me is what actions are being taken. Cathy leaving SH is good.

 

I also just skimmed it over because, frankly, as you said @sophos34, that post is not directed at me in any way. Nice to see them stepping down. Anything else is between them and the artists or other people they’ve hurt. I don’t need to be privy to any sort of apology. It’s none of my business

 

BOTCH bassist BRIAN COOK responds to SARGENT HOUSE allegations

 

So a member of one of the most influential hardcore bands of all time, and the most successful bands on Sargent House maybe wasn’t exposed to the abuse being alleged by smaller artists? Shocker.

 

Was thinking the same thing

 

Shitty people can still do good things.

 

literally just keep quiet I would rather artists not say anything than blindly defend her

 

To admit “And I still don’t know what the hell is actually going on,” but still make that kind of statement overall is baffling

 

Boy yea he really Botch-ed that one

I'm sorry

 

additionally from his tumblr

 

Again you can just not respond to stuff like that, one person monitoring who you do and don’t follow doesn’t warrant a response that’s just gonna make people groan

 

This interview/discussion with M. Shadows of Avenged Sevenfold from 17:20 - 26 minutes in seems relevant to this overall conversation and makes me wonder what this community would have to say about it as it represents a different perspective. I mostly expect to get the typical "F that I'm not listening" for such and such reasons...but I do think it's important for people to always at least hear other perspectives no matter how strongly you may disagree and it's equally important to be tolerant of opposing opinions as opposed to labeling them as violence.

I've noticed quite a bit insinuations within this thread over time that differences of opinion makes outright violence against others warranted. One person even mentioned capital punishment, the freaking death penalty, was fitting for a certain artist.

As a disclaimer on here I would ask that nobody launch personal attacks against me for sharing as it's become anxiety inducing for me to even consider commenting on these forums. The block feature exists, use it if you must, but I don't intend a thread takeover. I'm just genuinely interested in people's real takes on the linked discussion and plan to silently read along from here.

 

No thanks. I’m not going to watch a Finn McKenty video, and certainly not one where an NFT grifter defends Ronnie Radke of all people.

 

Yeah, that capital punishment post got rightfully called out by everyone here and also if you have to make a disclaimer about being attacked for what you post, it probably means you should rethink what you're posting

 

This is the same person that had the long drawn-out argument about All Time Low in the album release thread that week.

I guarantee no thinking is involved here.

 

Translation: "If your opinion is even slightly different you should be silent." Very punk rock. The disclaimer exists because I don't appreciate being made into a punching bag. Your solution being for me to be silent rather than others to stop bully tactics gang insult behavior tracks though.

Other comments: "I'm not listening" was as I expected but I didn't realize being involved in NFT's made people bad people?

Third response from @Penlab is already a personal attack. How predictable. The block feature exists. I found it rather without thought that your response was completely about me and not at all about the topic. It isn't about me, it's not about ATL and it's not about Radke or Shadows, it's about how we as a society are unable to handle respectful discourse. You immediately defaulting to the insinuation that I am lesser than is closer to the point.

 

Takes potshots at this community as a whole (done several times during the ATL thing, too) “don’t be mean to me in your replies tho”

Also reasonably sure no one has ever threatened violence against anyone else for having a differing opinion in these threads, where does that even come from lol

 

The Ronnie Radke deserves the death penalty comment is the most recent example. I was also told that my being unsure of certain allegations based on a review of all publicly available information made me a supporter of or contributor towards rape culture. I have never once stated anyone has threatened to come physically harm me if that's what you're getting at.

As far as taking pot shots at the forum. I am not personally attacking anyone but have noticed the forum attempts to silence anything that doesn't fully jive with their own ideologies and does so in very condescending, mocking and disrespectful ways.

I am speaking out in opposition to silencing discourse and shaming those who don't fall in line with that mentality. I am not speaking out in favor of any of these artists. You can support or boycott any artist you wish.

 

You defended All Time Low against a bunch of internet strangers for an entire weekend and are currently trying to do the same for Ronald Radke? No one is silencing you lol

 

Again, I didn't "defend All Time Low". I didn't even give their new album a listen and don't plan to. I am defending the right for other people to listen to All Time Low without being shamed or made to feel lesser than. I am defending diversity of thought. I am defending civil discourse. I am opposing group bullying and group think and I'm opposing wreckless slander. I've been told that even researching the allegations or having any doubt is supporting rape culture.

As far as the "no one is silencing you". Not yet here in this thread but in that other thread you and penlab mentioned, I was repeatedly told to "shut the f up" which is exactly that, and then the moderator issued me a warning despite the fact that I was one of the only users trying to be respectful. If that isn't an attempt to silence what is?

I've said my peace though so regardless of any potential insults hailed I will not respond further unless someone asks me a serious question and is looking for an answer.