Tour Prediction and Speculation Thread [ARCHIVED] Tour • Page 2278

It's not ideal for anybody, honestly. Shit happens and you should be able to transfer your ticket to a friend if you aren't able to make it.

The solution, at least IMHO, is to have a percentage cap like you've suggested. It wouldn't end scalping but it could go a long way toward keeping prices reasonable, mitigating the number of tickets people are trying to buy-up at a given time, and being able to assess actual demand/fair pricing for these shows while giving consumers an out.

What really rubs me the wrong way in all of this is that you have consumers trying to purchase tickets at the same time that businesses are trying to purchase tickets as inventory. You will never be able to truly assess demand when something like that is going on.

 

This is also the problem I have with it, the incentive to buy and flip artificially inflates demand and I feel like promoters like this because if it sells out, it sells out (regardless of if it's legitimately bought by people interest in going or for resale). Secondary sites have made this act so easy that it's not just professionals doing it but it's fans buying extras hoping to resell to cover the cost of their own ticket.

 

So you don't think the Ticketmaster guy is a piece of shit scumbag? I'm sorry, but suggesting that he could add a fee to effectively pull somebody out of debt--and then take what's leftover--is just undeniably gross. And after listening to that, it became obvious that while some fees are truly justified (which we're in agreement on--I get it, the platform needs to be paid for) I'm more convinced than ever that they're jacking it up to skim from the top, make a greater profit, etc.

And that's the problem with capitalism. When you're the biggest company in the field and your investors keep expecting your profits to rise, what do you do? You charge more for the same exact product and come up with excuses for it.

I fully understand that the acts are at least somewhat culpable. But they are far and away not the bulk of the problem here.

 

A simple solution is to force Ticketmaster/other sellers to refund everything including fees if you can’t go and put the ticket back on the market.

 

Oh I think he's a piece of shit and, like, why is it a ticket seller's responsibility to make sure a venue makes rent, you know? I think I'm a more sympathetic to them than the average consumer because I work in the media space and thus view them as a platform similar to Amazon in that they're an e-commerce platform with a ton of consumer data. The ironic thing about the monopoly, as you mention, is that if another company were to build up the infrastructure to compete, it would likely mean MORE fees to cover the costs of build.

 

I am not sympathetic to any corporation

 

How would another company compete when livenation owns a vast majority of venues? Those venues wouldn’t use any other ticketing platform.

 

The obvious choice should be not allowing Ticketmaster/live nation to own venues. That’s where true monopolization kicks in. Similar issues happened with movie studios owning theaters which became illegal for decades.

Resale also isn’t the issue. You should be able to do what you want with your tickets. Artists who don’t tour enough or without enough dates or at too small of venues are to blame for driving up demand.

 

No more Ticketmaster apologizing. They "negotiate" the fees with the artists/promoters, except when an artist or promoter tries to negotiate a lower fee they say no.

 

never said anything about that podcast making anyone like TM or rosen

 

It seems very apparent that most of our favorite artists are colluding with Ticketmaster, to a certain degree.

The revenue behind Dynamic/Platinum pricing just seems to be too tempting to pass up. Why tour every 24 months when you can your maybe once every 4yrs and make the same amount by maximizing how much you take from your fans?

It’s quite appalling seeing what Beyoncé, Drake, Blink, My Chemical Romance, Taylor, Bad Bunny, and many others all did in the last couple years.

 

THANK YOU for this! About to buy tickets for like 10 shows.

I really wanted to see Spiritworld open for Sepultura but it's the same night as Thrice and I couldn't justify paying $40-50 just to see 1-2 opening acts and then leave to go see Thrice, but for $14 with fees, I'm hitting up both shows now.

 

Did MCR do dynamic or did they just price tickets according to market demand. I don't necessarily things acts personally opt in/out of these things, more like their management team/agents get them the highest guarantee possible and part of the clause of the contract states that tickets can be dynamically priced.

 

When the MCR tour first went on sale in early 2020, there was no dynamic pricing. But when they added additional dates in 2022 those dates all had it.

 

at the risk of being seen as "defending" TM (no eyeroll emoji eh?) it's really not "colluding"

TM offers a bunch of services to their clients (venues/promoters) which they use to execute the wishes of an artist. They want to deter scalpers and make sure fans get tickets? Thats what verified fan is for. They want the profits that scalpers take but also don't want to overprice their standard tickets? Thats what platinum/dynamic is for. Want to cancel scalper orders and make tickets available again? TM will do that too if you want.

TM is not forcing anyone to do any of this, they make their money regardless.

 

The acts seem to be playing ignorant or trying not to address is. The Cure made it veryyyy apparent that artists have a say, they did a fantastic job exposing the greed.

Hopefully all artists choose to get involved and not just cash a check and plead ignorance.

 

That's what I've been saying. I am irked that bands/artists act like they have on say in this and blame "the big evil corporations" when it's essentially their payday which sets the entire thing in motion. Now....touring is very COSTLY (especially these days) so, in my opinion, many of these ticket prices are actually justified. If the band you're seeing themselves played completely for free, you'd probably still only see 10-15% reduction in price (at best).

 

You didn't say it, but the tone and your word choice led me to believe that was your intent. And re-reading the post I wasn't able to find earlier... That's still how it reads to me. But I'll take your word for it. My executive functioning is busted (no sarcasm). My bad.

 

Social Distortion dates dropping next week.

Only dates I know are Seattle July 1, swinging through Western Canada, then hitting Milwaukee for the Harley Davidson Homecoming in Milwaukee on July 14.

 

Oh, that's fun! Any word on openers?

 

Not sure yet but they always bring great openers!

 

No word an the Incubus tour that was mentioned a while back?