Invasion of Ukraine • Page 78

a tory i see.

 

Didn't Scholz or someone else high up in the German govt recently just say that they want to resume buying from Russia as soon as the shooting stops...?

 

I would've said inshallah but I saw a tweet this morning that was "[white guy voice] inshallah" so i gotta wait a day at least before i say it

 

it's okay if you say it judeo-islamic unity.

 

see that's what i'm thinking. and if i'm in leadership in germany i'd want ASAP too cause if not i might not be in leadership for long.

 

I'm seeing some of this from both sides of the aisle - you've got McCarthy too saying that after the misterms republicans will want to be taking a serious look at the Ukraine support.

 

Well actually right now Europe is importing a lot more LNG instead, as its actually cheaper to import it via ship from the US, than get it from other sources within Europe/the Middle East, because of how drastically cheaper US gas is at the moment. I believe right now the US is currently the largest exporter of gas worldwide. Of course pipelines will take longer to build, but thankfully Algeria, which has a fuck ton of gas, is right at Europe's doorstep, so is already planning to drastically increase their gas production over the next decade. And with plenty of pipelines in place in Turkey/the Middle East, I'm sure it actually wouldn't take too long to get another few pipes from Europe to Turkey created, to connect the regions. And in Norway, where I'm at now, Equinor has stated that they want to be one of, if not the, top European provider of gas in the Europe (helps Equinor is part owned by the government; they're currently loving the huge windfall its giving them), so I'm sure they'll happily build more pipes to Europe over the next decade to take advantage of this new opportunity. With Russia and China, the distances involved to connect the two are so vast, with so many different types of soil to build the infrastructure on, and mountains to traverse, that it will cost Russia waaaay more money to build the pipelines than it ever cost to build the Europe pipelines

U.S. to be world's biggest LNG exporter in 2022

 

Looks like it was some state politician that called for that, not Scholz

Kretschmer: Russian gas should resume after Ukraine war – DW – 10/23/2022

Scholz is fully for staying away from Russian gas going forward

German chancellor claims independence from Russian gas

 

Thanks for the correction, I thought I might have had it wrong.

 

Especially when it comes to actions they've taken in countries that aren't the US....They've invaded multiple countries, basically rigged elections, have done clandestine military missions on foreign soil, etc.....The only thing they seemingly haven't emulated us with yet is droning terrorists and civilians in multiple middle eastern nations. Give them time though.

 

At first, I was happy about the increased communication - but this is definitely sounding like we are on the verge of something very bad happening.

 

The more Russia keeps talking about Ukraine using a dirty bomb - something that they do not even have - the more the likelihood that Russia is about to do exactly that keeps increasing.... Literally nobody is buying this horseshit, but I don't think it matters.

 

I can only assume you aren't familiar with the history of what the US has done around the world to make a statement like this. Russia's crimes don't come close to those of the US. I'll quote Michael Parenti:

Some good books to read on this topic:

• Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II by William Blum
• The Jakarta Method: Washington's Anticommunist Crusade and the Mass Murder Program that Shaped Our World by Vincent Bevins
• The Face of Imperialism - Michael Parenti

 

lmao

 

Yes I already know and have said repeatedly the US has very very very bad foreign policy and has done military intervention in a lot of countries.

The fact that we've done it 100 times and Russia has done it 15 times....those 15 times are still bad! And we don't have to make excuses for the 15th time because we don't like what America does! Stop it!

Russia is a wannabe imperial power that have done countless imperialistic things, and just because the US is bigger and better at it doesn't mean we have to shrug it off and not criticize what Russia is currently doing at every turn right now. We can do that and also criticize what America is doing in Haiti, for example!

 

Your previous post seemed to imply that you think the magnitude of Russian crimes is greater than those of the US. I'm not making any excuses for Russia. I was just pointing out that the US is a bigger and more monstrous imperialist than Russia. Glad you agree.

 

No one makes excuses, what you read as such is just analysis of historical conditions that created this situation. You seem to be deeply resistant to the idea that anything could've cause this war other than Russia's decision to invade on February 24, which I just hope isn't the kind of historical analysis you teach.

 

Pretty crazy they were able to get this kind of intelligence

 

That's because Belingcat is spooks

 

If the US invades and kills people in 5 different countries, and Russia does it in 2 different countries...these are not some unequal thing to me. Just because one country was capable of doing it in more areas doesn't mean the country doing it in fewer areas is somehow less monstrous.

 

A lot of you are using that history as a basis/reason for Ukraine to give into Russian demands on Ukrainian territory, while kinda actively ignoring a lot of their war crimes right now soooo

 

No, the history is an argument for how this could've been avoided if the people with power were interested in avoiding it, and the argument for territorial concessions to Russia is to end a brutal war.

 

Right, and if you're giving into the demands of an imperial power just to simply stop the war, you don't....see how that's going to maybe alter the future and create more opportunities for more wars? Or, to use your line of questioning the other day...do you really think Russia is just going to stop? Especially given that this isn't their first land grab invasion under the current leadership lol. Do you really think the best way to prevent war is ending this one on the imperialist' power between the two's terms?

 

I think you downplay the crimes of the US if you equate them to any other modern imperialist. The US killed up to a million people in the invasion of Iraq alone. No other country comes close to the violence and destruction of the US empire. That's not the same as saying what Russia is doing in Ukraine isn't horrific. Russia is bad, but the US takes imperialism to a whole other level. I'm not sure why any of this is controversial.