Marvel Cinematic Universe Movie • Page 196

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In CGI and in set safety, the issues come from the same place of Hollywood, like many industries, demanding massive amounts of work from laborers who are not adequately compensated or given reasonable accommodations in their work. Disney isn't using CGI to keep their sets safe, they're doing it because it's the quickest, easiest, and cheapest way to get what they need, despite the what they put those providing the labor through. IATSE, workers and artists in CGI, they need to be compensated fairly and given the working conditions they need. That's the answer.

 

Right, thanks for explaining issues to me that I already know. Appreciate how often that happens around here lol

Again, my point was that we should be careful inadvertantly demonizing the very concept of CGI guns solely because they can be used as a way to corners. They are a valid and important tool for increasing set safety, along with many other options. Yeah in this specific scenario it was probably used to cut corners, but that doesn't change the fact that that nuance gets lost in a tweet like that, which seems to generalize the concept of CGI guns as something that is only done for lazy/cost-cutting/anti-union purposes. That's literally all I'm saying! This shouldn't be controversial. For fuck's sake.

 

I didn't think I was saying anything you didn't know or agree with, but I felt the need to say it because the idea of CGI replacing guns as a safety measure is, I promise you, nowhere near the conversations anyone with any power are having right now, especially if it rightfully becomes more expensive and takes more time to use CGI. And no one critiquing the way Disney and Marvel use CGI is saying to never use CGI or that it couldn't one day be a valid set safety measure some day, they're critiquing Disney and Marvel's abuse of those who provide the labor for the technology. I do think we need to talk about these issues in terms of how studios are thinking and strategizing, and CGI in the case of that tweet is only being used as a cost-cutting, anti-union tactic, and not being used as a set safety practice, even if that's a nice unintended benefit. Criticizing how these movies all use CGI so heavily is it's own thing, separate from set safety.

 

Maybe. The big thing I’m wondering too is how they’re gonna re-introduce DD beyond NWH. Like it’s been hinted that he’s gonna show up in Echo on D+, so are they gonna redo his origins to play out in the show or are they going with the approach that enough people had watched the Netflix show and go from there?

 

They’ll do what they’ve done with Spider-Man since 2016. They’ll skip his origin and decide how it’s played out later on (which seems to be what Spider-Man: Freshman Year is doing).

 

I'd like to think that because Daredevil was so popular, they'll just assume people know the origin and go from there.

As much as I'd love to see the Netflix shows be official canon, I think it's more likely they'll be unofficial canon.

 

I would hope DD could continue from where the show left off. Was a fine place to end the series but that was a great Bullseye

 

Not that it matters really but I work on these movies and those specific examples of green/blue screen sets and CGI guns are from reshoots to match sets/props from principal photography. You can see in other BTS featurettes that the Black Widow scene was shot at real tables with real extras on a real set, but they’ll shoot plates afterward so they don’t need to replicate sets if they want to tweak dialogue in reshoots on a tighter schedule. I don’t remember the Winter Solider scene but I’d imagine they just didn’t have a matching prop gun on hand since they make plenty of picture-ready prop guns that don’t fire. They shoot everything in a way that gives them more flexibility to adapt later, which makes sense but often makes the movies worse.

And yeah, the use of blue/green screen on these movies has been overkill for awhile now, and the burn at VFX houses is for real and it’s going to start having a real impact on how shitty these movies look because their VFX vendors are being stretched so thin. Eternals has some of the worst-looking CG I can remember in a marvel movie. I hope they unionize, especially looking forward at the projects coming down the pipeline and the turnaround times. It’s gonna get worse for the artists than it already is

 

That makes a lot more sense being that it’s for pickups.

 

Right. It’s way cheaper and easier to shoot a scene where Sam Jackson is sitting in a real chair in a real room with a real gun than it would be to create the environment around him in post. But if you’ve already shot the scene, and you need to alter a line of dialogue four months later in a different city and soundstage and only have Sam Jackson for x amount of time, it’s cheaper and easier to throw a bunch of green up and give him whatever gun to hold and use the footage you have from principle photography to match in post. It’s stupid and looks worse but all Marvel cares about at this point is efficiency

 

All that said, there’s something in production right now where Marvel is using the Volume tech that was used on Mandalorian, so hopefully that works well for them and they do similar going forward, because it looks better and is easier for everyone.

 

It's good to have a pretty reasonable explanation. Though, since it's Disney I'm still gonna side eye the practice, lol, in a similar but less extreme way to how I side eye their de-aging and general digital face work.

Also sounds like my "general lack of care" comment still holds true, lol. It's cool that modern technology can make reshoots easier (with the caveat that digital artists need treated better, of course), but it sucks that they use technology as a way to half ass this tentpole assembly line. Makes me think of that GQ piece on Tom Holland where it came up that No Way Home was being rewritten throughout the process and didn't have a set in stone ending for at least part of principle photography.

 

Yeah by no means do I want it to seem like I’m caping for Disney lol I don’t agree with much of anything they do, and both the workers and product suffer constantly from their workflow, but I see those examples thrown around a lot on Twitter and figured context might help explain what would otherwise seem like production choices that would defy all human logic lol

 

Also kind of funny to me to that people on Twitter would suggest that, say, a studio would opt to not have a simple set built because the set designers were union. The studios don’t care who’s in a union, that’s not factoring into production choices because it hasn’t had to. They don’t care about making a set designer throw up another lamp and desk next to Sam Jackson because if it sends them into OT the studio happily eats the OT. It would still be much simpler and more cost-effective to just build the hotel room and get the shot on the day than send it to VFX just because the artists aren’t union. It’s not saving them money.

Union protections for production workers were essentially non existent which was kind of the whole point of our unions voting to strike, and even now the ratified deal is still shit and won’t be much influence on how studios make their decisions going forward

 

I guess speaking of Black Widow, I just watched it and actually loved it

 

https://deadline.com/2021/11/scarle...-teases-top-secret-marvel-project-1234877118/

Kevin Feige said Scarlett Johansson will be helping with a “top secret” upcoming marvel film, but it won’t be related to Natasha. Probably a producer spot.

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...blade-delroy-lindo-mahershala-ali-1235049586/

Delroy Lindo has been cast in Blade

 

https://www.ign.com/articles/black-panther-2-letitia-wright-injury-more-severe

As much as I don't like the whole Wright situation, it does suck that this happened.

 

I mean…. Fuck her !

 

Starting to feel like Black Panther 2 is a cursed film.

 

the film isn’t cursed, it’s banking on someone who is clearly a moron to make the right decisions

 

It has had its good share of things going wrong during production so far

 

and outside of chadwick passing, almost all of them have been caused by letitia