Justice League (Zack Snyder, November 17, 2017) Movie • Page 94

Crudup is in this?????

 

He’s Barry’s dad. I think he was in the original also? Can’t remember if he ended up getting cut tho

 

Yeah well that’s not an option for this justice league so I’d much rather his joker be different than the one from SS

 

There are slow mo shots of a shaving razor and sesame seed in this. I’m genuinely perplexed by the positive initial reactions to this.

 

Thematically and structurally and even largely plot-wise this is a bloated and boring version of Joss Whedon’s first Avengers movie. I know Joss is a piece of garbage but that first Avengers movie was about a group of people who needed to get over their individual shit and band together to save the world, which this movie is too, except the Avengers movie understood that it’s more fun to watch the superheroes interact with each other rather than largely keep them apart doing their own boring shit for two hours. Two hours into this movie and Aquaman is still on his own dealing with his own thing. That Avengers movie was almost over at this point. What a merciful thing to make a superhero movie economical.

Favorite parts so far are the recurring 10 second scenes of Lois Lane not doing anything that seem to come every 45 minutes.

 

Your posts are golden friend please keep them coming I have two hours left haha.

 

The AV Club's review said you could legitimately swap around any scenes in the first two hours of this without impacting the movie and that was spot on. Just massive bloated chunks of story that go on for so long you forget where each character was the last time you saw them

Not that that matters because the only characters who have any kind of arc in this movie are Flash, Cyborg and Lois (hers being immediately undone within literal seconds when Superman is resurrected)

 

Staggering amount of boring information dumps. In the middle of a stretch of particular sludge right now as more characters explain Mother Boxes again. I do not need to know this much about Mother Boxes. No one does.

 

I'm only partway through Chapter 2 because this movie is a thousand years long, but it is definitely a vast improvement on the 2017 film. That being said, it is bloated as fuck and SLOW. I know this isn't the version that Snyder would have put out into theaters a few years ago - but all of the slow mo really feels like a huge middle finger / fuck you to his bosses at WB who mandated a two hour runtime. It honestly feels to me like the movie would be a full hour or more shorter if all of the slow mo (not Flash) scenes played out in regular mo. I think Snyder gets too much shit sometimes but purposely over-scripting and over-shooting just cuz you want to even though the people paying you and paying for the whole project have specifically said that the movie must come in at two hours runtime max seems pretty unprofessional.

Even by this movie's standards, the Icelandic Womens' Choir moment was a huge WTF - it even visibly startled Bruce Wayne and got a reaction shot in scene.

It is fun to rag on this because there is a lot of bad stuff here and it seems like a squandered opportunity for a guy who got $250 million and then a few years of hindsight plus another $70 million and carte blanche and access to some of the most iconic characters in all of modern fiction, but it is still so much better than the 2017 pile of shit movie that it isn't even funny.

 

The issue that this has is it has to introduce us to three heroes that we know literally nothing about, who they are, where they came from, what they believe in, etc., all in the one movie in addition to setting up a new villain and the actual plot of this movie. Even with a four hour movie it can’t do all that in a satisfying, competent way. Say what one will about Marvel but at least they understood that you need to know who all these people are going into the team up movie so that you don’t need to waste time with all their backstories and can focus on the plot at hand.

The original sin of the DC movie universe was putting it all in the hands of Snyder, but the second one was not doing solo movies most and rushing to make Justice League too early.

 

His movies are fun to rag on because they're no damn fun. I can forgive a whole lot of silliness for a superhero movie, I'm an expert at it, as long as it's somewhat aware of where the silly shit is and engages me around it visually or character wise. Snyder seems to operate permanently in ponderous, extremely dull and visually gray mode, and you can actually feel the studio's hand anytime anyone cracks a joke in his movies.

That being said, it wasn't intentional on the film's part, but I've rarely laughed harder at a superhero movie than when a Parademon snipes Flash from hundreds of years away, in one shot, while Flash is running faster than the fucking speed of light. Honestly breathlessly funny shit

 

But hey, Batman says fuck. We did it folks

 

Superman punching through a memorial to all the human lives lost in a Superman related event, literally punching their names into rubble, is an apt visual representation of Snyder’s misguided vision for the character.

that’s what that Superman memorial was for, right? It was put up for the events of Man of Steel?

 

Okay, I'm not a filmmaker, but just logically thinking about it - if you know you have way more story to tell and characters to introduce than you can possibly fit into anything even approaching a normal runtime, wouldn't that automatically rule out shooting entire sequences in insanely slow motion, a technique that is only going to draw out your runtime even further and cause scenes that could be resolved much more efficiently to drag on and on and chew up valuable screentime...??? Feels like a no brainer to me.

Also, there was absolutely a way to cut this thing down and maybe even throw in a few funny lines without having to reshoot the entire movie and make it even shittier. Snyder made a lot of bad calls initially, Whedon made even worse ones with the reshoots - but really I cannot figure out what the fuck they were thinking over at WB literally any step of the way on this. Trying to rush an Avengers type of team up without laying the groundwork was dumb. Being surprised that this movie was turning out the way it was at the 11th hour after hiring Snyder and having him make Man of Steel and then Batman v. Superman: The Dawn of Justice and having him be the architect of your entire cinematic universe was dumb. Canning him after shooting has wrapped and then hiring Whedon to come in and quickly shoot the entire movie over again was dumb. Honestly, throwing even more money at Snyder years later to make this version was dumb, even though I do like it better - especially seeing as how everyone involved is saying that this film is a dead end and isn't cannon and there will be no sequels.

 

In the last 5 minutes HBO Max has now twice run into a “can’t play title” error, as if willing me to put my time and energy elsewhere because even it feels bad that someone has invested three hours into Zack Snyder’s Justice League

 

Poor Jeremy Irons is doing his best to inject the slightest bit of energy into this every time he shows up. Honestly his Alfred is the only really good thing this ridiculous movie gave us except two seconds of J.K. Simmons as Commissioner Gordon (this movie should have been four hours of J.K. Simmons as Commissioner Gordon)

 

Also, not that it's a high bar, but the original version of Justice League was at least way better than Man of Steel and BvS. It was honestly nice to actually maybe sort of like some of these characters for once (outside of Wonder Woman, who we already like by virtue of her having her own movie that was actually good).

 

Considering that MoS is the only good Snyder movie, nope.

 

Marvel gets a lot of credit for casting, which is fair, but to be honest the Snyder movies were pretty good at that too. The most emotional I’ve gotten for the characters so far are the callbacks to Kevin Costner and Russell Crowe as Superman’s parents. They deserved better movies that actually are about what those characters purported the idea of Superman to be about.

 

MoS is not good tho, so yupp

 

Yeah the Snyder movies have pretty good casting. I mean they gave us a Michael Shannon villain and Laurence Fishburne as Perry right off the bat, those are some serious saving graces. But he just so clearly has no idea what to actually do with actors of that calibre (see also: Holly Hunter in BvS and Ciaran Hinds in this)

 

Amy Adams is great too of course but she doesn't do anything that's not directly related to Superman, who is infinitely more boring than her Lois. Ben Affleck could theoretically be a very good Batman but he's sleepwalking and I truly cannot blame him given the level of dialogue

 

I strongly disagree. I honestly think that 2017 Justice League is in the running for worst modern, fully budgeted studio film. I cant even figure out where all of the money went when looking at it. It looks like a made-for-TV rush job, or maybe a decent fan film someone talented knocked together on their home computer.

 

Yeah Man of Steel isn’t good but the Joss Justice League is atrocious. There are some moments of energy in Man of Steel, even if the film as a whole stinks.

 

This was terrible in my most non hyperbolic opinion.