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Discussion in 'Politics Forum' started by Melody Bot, Mar 13, 2015.

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  1. Trotsky

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    So have the Sanders ruffians been silenced, removed, or shot?
     
  2. Jake Gyllenhaal

    Wookie of the Year Supporter

    Playing hacky-sack in the parking lot
     
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  3. placed in gulag
     
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  4. Trotsky

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    "Bernie Sanders reminds us what Democrats fight for every day" really made me sick to hear.
     
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  6. Jake Gyllenhaal

    Wookie of the Year Supporter

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  7. Trotsky

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    So apparently Van Jones cried on air at the heart notes of Booker's speech? Sad.
     
  8. iCarly Rae Jepsen

    run away with me Platinum

    they're still there
     
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  9. Trotsky

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    Haha, yeah I heard that. It's immature but also feels pretty poignant at the moment.
     
  10. aranea

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    anyone gonna play the "with her" drinking game? think it's a good idea
     
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  11. Kyle is hk

    Not Kyle Shanahan Prestigious

    Are yall forgetting about all those potholes Booker personally made sure were filled via twitter??
     
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  12. Jake Gyllenhaal

    Wookie of the Year Supporter

    Don't forget the dog he saved

    [​IMG]
     
  13. MyBestFiend

    go birds Supporter

    Watching all these Democrats fall in line and endorse Clinton is making me understand Trump's appeal. Don't think Trump would ever go to a Republican convention and endorse whoever beat him
     
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  15. Jake Gyllenhaal

    Wookie of the Year Supporter

    To be fair, Democrats don't tend to have a backbone.
     
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  16. iCarly Rae Jepsen

    run away with me Platinum

    Trump doesn't have party loyalty, or loyalty anyone who isn't him

    not saying undying party loyalty is necessarily "right" but it's the case
     
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  17. aranea

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    omg rn

     
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  18. Well, this is emotional
     
  19. Emperor Y

    Jesus rides beside me Prestigious

    How do we feel about Keith Ellison? I've always liked him a lot but I feel like he's become more "Democrat" lately than he was when I first caught on about him.
     
  20. MyBestFiend

    go birds Supporter

    Trump having no party loyalty is basically the only thing I respect about him

    Not saying I like Trump or anything, just that I get how a right-winger would find him attractive, which is something that has eluded me for the last year
     
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  21. David87

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    Well, for health care prices themselves, they have been rising pretty much every year since forever. Prior to the ACA's passing, they rose at (some points) exponentially higher clips. This is true for both employer sponsored plans, and for individual market plans, which are two pretty different markets. The ACA pretty much deals with the individual market, which was raelly a wild west type of market with little regulation. But employer sponsored plans are a lot of the ones that people complain about, saying they're "paying more now than they ever have" and such. KFF puts out an annual report every year on the employer plans that is pretty comprehensive and looks at a whole bunch of stuff. Nearly every trend of rising prices or rising employee contributions started pre-ACA. The big ones are usually the amount of plans that have deductibles, and the amount the employer makes the employee pay towards premiums. Those both started going up pre-ACA and continued post-ACA because they save employers money. Some of that cost could be contributed to things like requiring plans to cover certain things (i.e. maternity care or birth control), but not a lot. Insurance companies give different employers a quote for their plan based on the demos of their workforce...so if a company is 150 people and only 5 of them are women, the health insurance company knows this and is not going to bump up the price that much because they know the risk of only 5 women needing those services is low.

    Sorry I'm getting a little off track here, just trying to cover all bases. The basic gist is that employers want their employees to pay more towards their health care because it's cheaper for the employers, and when the ACA was passed a lot of them used it as a scapegoat for why they were doing it but it wasn't the actual reason for them doing it, it was a trend that had already started. There's also a chart out there showing the average premium increase by year, and in the early 2000's it was like a 4 year trend of double digit increases, unfortunately I can't find that chart at the moment. But if the employer was paying the premium, no one noticed it, so they didn't think "wow my health care prices went up!". But I would be willing to bet that employers covering the total costs of those health care increases have a lot to do with wage stagnation over the years. But compare those years of 10-14% increases vs. the post ACA average increases in the 3-6% range. That's not to say that the ACA is THE reason for those increases being so much smaller, as there's a lot of research that indicates it's a mixture of a whole bunch of things including the ACA, but it's quite clear at this point that premiums and premium prices aren't rising any faster, or because of, ObamaCare.

    As for people blaming ObamaCare, it is mostly a right wing phenomenon , but I've seen some people who are Dems blame it on the ACA as well. There was a poll or two about this a couple years back from gallup I think but I can't find it now sadly. But it's definitely a big narrative within the GOP and a lot of their constituents have obviously bought into it.
     
  22. I like him. But I'm biased since he represents my congressional district. He was an early endorser of Sanders. He's probably my favorite politician from Minnesota outside the last mayor of Minneapolis.
     
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  24. cwhit

    still emperor emo Prestigious

    well there it is. the official convention endorsement
     
  25. cwhit

    still emperor emo Prestigious

    bernie really does need to learn how to diversify his speeches, lol
     
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  26. aranea

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    Damn all the Bernie supporters are literally crying and their faces have turned red
     
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  27. FARAI CHIDEYA:
    Sanders spoke of a “movement toward oligarchy” in America. There’s an interesting body of research, mainly from Europe, arguing that income inequality increases voting for far-right parties, particularly among lower-income workers. It’s easier to measure in multiparty democracies, as European ones — and most globally — tend to be. There’s also a Harvard Business School analysis asking a variety of experts what the right amount of income inequality is.
     
  28. Trotsky

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    Would really prefer less mic manipulation to get a better representation of the tone of the crowd.
     
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