General Politics Discussion [ARCHIVED] • Page 208

I don't agree with the assessment that they are equally dangerous from a societal standpoint but I certainly understand fears regarding Hillary (her positions on Israel and Palestine, for example, are abhorrent) and my reasons for voting for her are 100% because she's the safer candidate for my personal queer Latina self. It's very frustrating to be used as a talking point by folks who aren't part of your group, the group they're claiming to champion, especially when your fears aren't being addressed by their proposed solution.

Someone with different circumstances than my own might feel differently about that, but I will still go so far as to say that any marginalized person who casts a vote for Trump is cutting their nose off to spite their face.

 

Reading Twitter is not good for my health.

 

I've seen arguments from POC on both sides of this.

 

Okay, fine: no one here has said that they're equally bad as far as I know. And you're still not in any position to be dictating the validity of a marginalized persons fear of someone with a well established history of being horrible to their/other groups. Being terrified of a war hawk who endorses states that sponsor human rights violations is valid even if you're a white male. She is the candidate with a demonstrated capacity for implementing dangerous policies.

The point isn't that one single person speaks for entire groups, it's that it's gross for you to run roughshod over their concerns on the grounds that they are mistaken about the effects one of these candidates has already had on their lives and in some cases has promised to continue to have.

 

People are backing up the argument as if it is correct--I find that to be wrong and will point it out at every juncture I notice it.

Again, we're getting into RNC territory here where feelings don't match up with reality. That being said, there are literally tens of millions of people out there who are completely, 100% mistaken about the effects on their lives from certain candidates/parties/policies. Hundreds of millions of people, probably. See: The millions who think their health care premiums are going up because of Obama/ObamaCare/etc.

 

Here is where you start to lose the thread. People are agreeing with the article in the sense that it states "do not invoke my existence to justify why you are voting for someone who you acknowledge is bad," not "they are identical twin monsters!" Your interpretation of their posts lacks nuance.

*fart noise*

 

One of the best posts in here.

 

Kaine executed six black men under his watch. Tell me again this is about preventing a law and order candidate.

 

You're being emotional and demeaning actual arguments to fart noises. You've lost, move on.

 

Everything is just a shit show man

 

How many black lives will Trump and his regime destroy? I'd love to point to evidence but the man has never held office in his life.

 

Well, from my personal experience, I experienced various aspects of Clinton policy:

My mother was kicked off of welfare after getting a job that paid eight dollars an hour. She had four children.

She couldn't engage in bankruptcy because it was made too difficult to do so.


I've had people close to me locked up for nonsense, as well as been subject to brutality.

Voting for Clinton, based on my experience, isn't helpful to me.

All of that doesn't matter, though. What matters is the degree to which we protect ourselves by way of shoving others around on the class and racial hierarchy.

 

I guess those lives were unimportant. Got it.

 

No, I've seen people attempt to make arguments as to why Clinton is "just as bad", and the large majority of it as it pertains to domestic policy stems back to things she supported in the 90's---a time and place she clearly has changed from in terms of those policies. And at least part of that overall argument anyway stems from the idea of "don't use me to vote for this person because they're just as bad". If you're going to back up that argument, you are by proxy backing up the idea that they're equally as bad. They aren't.

Talk out ya asshole all you want, it's true. People assign political blame to people/policies/parties all the time and are either partially or completely wrong. That's why so many blue collar white Americans back the Republicans--they don't really get that Republicans historically backed the free market principles behind trade deals and actively worked for decades to decimate unions that previously were the balancing act that kept incomes and benefits higher for them. They blame the Democrats and immigrants and etc. That's why I find it funny when a union member says he "Fears the DNC/Clinton just as much". The Democrats have been shitty on supporting unions since Reagan destroyed them and won two elections on the idea. But they're not even close to as bad as the Republican party is, historically and currently.

 

I'm demeaning the way Dave is reducing the lives experiences of millions of marginalized people, American and otherwise, to being mistakes to a fart noise.

 

Heartwarming Barbecues and Hugging Cops Ain’t the Solution

 

Saying that people should vote this or that way is in their best interests is the exact sort of shenanigans that led to Trump gaining momentum.

 

Weird, I had this in my Read Later queue from the same website and got confused for a second because the pages looked so similar:

Masking Oppression as “Free Speech”: An Anarchist Take

 

I don't actually give a shit if you vote for Clinton. Just do it in your own fucking name. Don't do it because you know what's best for me or some such shit. Fuck you. Vote for your own cracker ass.

 

I'm not even telling anyone to vote for anyone is the thing. I'm just pointing out it's disingenuous to act like having severe concerns about Clinton is ridiculous when we have a track record of her being bad.

I'm lucky enough to live in one of the deepest blue states in the country so ultimately my decision one way or the other doesn't really matter. I'm just saying I get where people are coming from when they ask not to be used as an excuse for a Hillary vote

 

I was more referring to the notion of bernie supporters being told to suck it up and vote for Clinton. I'm well aware of Clinton's track record and am leaning third party more than anything.

This election cycle is a joke

 

I keep forgetting there's a vacant Supreme Court seat ... with the clusterfuck going on everywhere lately that fact, something that would usually be pretty damn relevant/important, somehow keeps slipping my mind.

 

Whatever happened to the Obama administration's push to get an appointee selected, stonewalled to death I suppose?

 

Yeah the GOP were mad at Obama for making a " political statement" only for them to totally politicize it

 

Great question. Apparently the nomination is still sitting untouched before the whiny pissbabies in the Senate.