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Tim Kaine is pro-TPP, supports deregulation of wall street, supports offshore drilling and fracking, supports a no fly zone in Syria and is another hawkish democrat. Sounds lovely...

 

I know and that's tough but there are probably millions who are or were on the fence - I'm one of them - who really haven't been thrown a bone here

 

The Hill: In a poll of 3,500 active duty, reservist, and retired military members Libertarian Party candiate Gary Johnson beating both Clinton and Trump.

 

Leslie Jones's Twitter abuse proves relying on users to report bullies isn't enough

 

RT aha

 

one of the issues with a "democratic" internet is the underparticipation it encourages when trolls are allowed free reign

 

There will be a lot of disappointed people on the left. I think Hillary is still (maybe foolishly) expecting those people to show up and vote for her over Trump. Whereas if she had gone with a more progressive pick, that still might not win her the far left (look at all the people calling Warren a sellout for endorsing her), but could drive away more moderate voters. I don't think there is going to be much about Kaine the right can use to attack Clinton.

 

idk, they'll jump at anything - his centrist approach to gun control and abortion are basically offputting to both repubs and leftist democrats haha. can't speak to more center democrats though

 

But isn't Clinton more left on those positions?

With Pence, the left can go "okay, well Trump might not be explicitly anti LGBT but his running mate sure as fuck is". So it gives them another vector to attack Trump. I'm not sure what attack vectors Kaine offers the right.

 

Tim Kaine on Abortion

The pro-parental consent and pro-informed consent issues are very troubling

 

I agree Donald Trump should have his Twitter privileges revoked

 

So it seems like that she chose him, not necessarily to win over progressive voters, but more as a person that the right won't be able to find many reasons to attack at, unlike Pence

 

There is no way I could respect myself voting otherwise at this point.

This thwarted any illusion of Clinton moving left of corporate neoliberalism.

 

Opposed abortion for a long time, as well as marriage equality-- now blandly supports them for partisan solidarity. Also lobbies for further financial deregulation and the passing of the TPP.

 

Pick up disenfranchised moderate conservatives who, in this election, make up a far larger group than the left.

 

I mean, I hate the pick, but her picking Warren wouldn't have convinced me she was going far left either. He's her VP, but he's going to have to adopt whatever views her campaign is pushing, not the other way around.

What sucks more, IMO, is that he would then become the heir apparent for the Dem nomination in 2024, especially if she won two terms. Blech blech blech.

 

The article I posted talks about this too

 

It occurs to me that she could have sent message by getting a person of color, but she prefers to play with the old rule book that said the center is where the votes are. When Donald Trump is the nominee, there is no center or, at the very least, the center situates far to the right.

 

Yeah Booker or Castro would have been my favorite picks, if only for the reason they would have set one of them up to be the next Dem nominee down the line. Castro still needs some experience, now I'm not sure where he goes if he's not in the next cabinet.

 

Isn't this due in part due to the overall lack of diversity in American politics? The sitting democrats in the senate who are people of color are Booker, Hirono and Menendez. David Ige is the only governor. Those four are collectively from two of the bluest states in the country, New Jersey and Hawaii.

She certainly could've gone with a congressperson, or someone without federally elected credentials. But the problem really seems to lie with a party that, despite claiming to support diversity, has an incredibly non-diverse group of people in positions of experience

 

wow, lots of negativity on here. I'm probably biased because I'm from Richmond but I'm pretty happy about Kaine being the pick

 

So, an aspect of Kaine's shittiness that I actually didn't know: his support of right-to-work (union busting) laws.

Fuck this guy so much.

Tim Kaine Has a Troubling Record on Labor Issues

I mean, if you like constant economic recessions once every generation, decades of further proportions of wealth going to the ultra-rich and the rest of us getting poorer, and unprincipled people....then sure, he's a swell fella.

 

Sorry he's not as far left as you want him to be but he's not a bad guy. He actually did a lot of good for Virginia during the recession.

 

On the issue of further deregulation of the financial industry, particularly on the issue of consumer protections, with the data, evidence, and knowledge that we have now, it's not a matter of left versus right: it's a matter of corrupt versus not corrupt.

I'll cut him slack on TPP and labor rights, because I can disgustedly concede ideological dissent on the matters. But on the issues of financial deregulation and fracking, he's a bad fucking guy because he's been bought. Any public official that knowingly works against the interest of their constituents (or the world, etc.) for their own riches and power is a person who is better dead.