Accountability in Music • Page 361

I totally respect all the energy being devoted into criticizing Pinegrove and calling out people who continue to support them, and this in no way intends to invalidate any of that, but does everyone feel this same amount of energy should be put forth onto Tiny Moving Parts? According to Dylan, the survivor chose not to proceed with mediation at the time. Also, the other accused person, Ciaran O’Donnell (formerly of The Front Bottoms), never responded to the allegations. I’m just curious how you all are approaching TMP and if it is the same way you are approaching Pinegrove these days, with the victim not wanting to proceed in mediation at the time (which is totally their right, but different than the Pinegrove situation where mediation occurred)

 

I don't really know anything about that situation, I never followed the band. From what I gather from your post, the survivor is unhappy with them continuing to be a band? So then fuck them and the label that signed them and the people that support them, I guess.

 

He got two years of prison and 5 years of supervision after release

 

What happened was: An anonymous user on twitter made accusations against Dylan (lead singer of TMP) and Ciaran O’Donnell (former guitarist/trumpet player/keyboardist of TFB) of sexual assault.

When offered by Dylan to go through mediation, the survivor declined. However, the user has been retweeting things here and there about sexual assault survivors, how they should be believed, statistics, etc.

 

TMP did address the claims and the dude admitted to them, though, right? Was that based off of this accusation?

 

This is the most recent post regarding the matter by the account. It appears that they are, in fact, unhappy with them still touring and making music and people spun it to be them saying it was okay. So yeah, fuck them I guess.

 

Yeah, the only reason I brought them up was because a lot of the discussion has been about the Pinegrove situation but I feel the Tiny Moving Parts situation deserves just as much scrutiny (or at least just as much focus on the situation), especially because of the tweet you linked.

 

Also, for those who need a refresher, here is Dylan's response to the allegations:

The part I bolded is most important here. If the allegation is true (which, of course, in this day and age, we are to believe that it is), then it's not a cae of his behavior "possibly" being harmful. Sexual assault is sexual assault, there's no "maybe it is harmful" about it. Also, I've had trobule with him saying "It was never my intention to violate anyone or make them feel unsafe.", because if that were the case then he wouldn't have sexually assaulted someone in the first place.

 

idk anything about this situation/accusation but I actually think the bolded part in general is a very honest portrayal of many men’s experience. WAY too many men do not understand the difference between expressed and implied consent and literally don’t register their actions as being harmful.
Obviously, they are. This is a really important aspect of sexual assault that needs to be talked about. As a multi-time victim myself, I fully believe that many of them felt that it was not their intention to violate me or make me feel unsafe. This is why intention is different than affect and why intention doesn’t matter. That’s the bigger picture. Imo.


Also hope to be clear that I’m not trying to address this specific situation in any way just wanted to reply to your comments because I think it’s an important topic to discuss and unpack


Edited to add: obviously in the case of his statement the “could have” should not be there. I don’t disagree with you there.

 

100% agree with this. It’s a very important conversation to have because, you’re right, many men don’t register that consent is not necessarily implied. It’s a problem that I think is probably fairly prevalent as far as sexual assault goes. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t wrong, but that idea of consent being implied, therefore not harmful, needs to be addressed and acknowledged for sure.

 

Ah yes. I get to read my favorite part of the Tiny Moving Parts statement again, where he implies he learned a lot by going to therapy for one week.

 

Friendly reminder that Varg Vikernes (Edit: Varg is the frontman of Burzum) murdered Mayhem’s guitarist Euronymous and only served 15 years of his 21 year sentence and is still making music to this day! (Posting because they have a new album coming out and it’s disgusting how many people still support him after that!)

 

I’ve never heard of them but wtf

 

Never heard of this dude until now. After a quick Wikipedia scan, the murder isn't even the most worrisome thing about this dude.

 

I’ve seen black metal fans praise that entire thing and it’s just super uncomfortable to read and even more worrying that it’s heralded as some “metal” story. Like what the fuck is wrong with you

 

There’s a huge faction of metal music that’s just disgusting. From shit like that to dickhead nazis in bands or in the crowd at shows just to hurt people. It’s awful.

 

I hate to break it to y’all but he’s like the most famous nazi in all of music, of course his fans don’t care he murdered someone 25 years ago

 

yeah that shit is his entire appeal

 

Feel like even giving that dude any posts or "publicity" at all is ... bad.

 

lmao right? Fuck that band and fuck any band that tours with them/still supports them. Absolute trash.

 

I was very disappointed that they made that movie about it recently.

 

I'd really like to know, for people who are not inside the music industry, who are the people leading the fight for accountability that we should know about? What organizations or maybe specific people leading those organizations?

It'd be great to hear more in this thread about the positive work that is actively being done on the ground or coalition-buidling between bands of different genres/backgrounds. I realize that maybe it is not always reported on, but that's partly what the thread is for, right?

 

how is the murder what you bring up about varg and not that he’s a huge fucking nazi

 

Especially since the guy he murdered was probably also a fascist and honestly probably would've thought getting murdered was metal