General Politics Discussion (VI) [ARCHIVED] • Page 1787

Oh wow that sounds amazing.. idk if you'd be able to find out who the provider of that was but that would be lifechanging, no worries if not though!

That's a good idea, didn't even consider that. Not sure of any schools around here but worth the look

 

David87 says that’s affordable so nothing to worry about.

Seriously though I had a similar issue (mine was abscessed though so it was really bad) and was able to get the tooth pulled through a local university dental clinic for free. It’s worth trying though, my tooth was beyond saving and they can do root canals. I only got it pulled and then eventually got a replacement tooth when I got insurance and could afford the copayment (still could only afford a bridge). See what the local university clinics can do.

 

Seriously David anything less than m4a is inhumane and there’s no excuse for trying for less

 

100% hard disagree. There are a couple dozen health systems around the world that are not "M4A" and are extremely better than ours and, yes, humane.

 

You’re being obtuse that is not what the current debate in this country entails. The fucking public option with the insurance system in place will continue to kill people.

 

No, it wouldn't, especially if modeled after other systems that function as 'public options' in all but name.

Oh, and yes, a lot of the online left have turned this debate into "Anything short of a system that covers literally 100% of every medical procedure possible is tantamount to being a Republican and completely useless" and it's the dumbest fucking shit ever and watching them implode when President Sanders gets nothing more than a public option and maybe a lowering of the Medicare age limit is going to be infuriating to watch.

 

Nobody is saying that but we’d like someone who actually has the goal in mind, rather than someone who actually goes in defending the compromise, which yes, will cost lives. Progress is good but fighting for something like mfa is important to continue the progress. And hey once Sanders is in you can go on with your bullshit. Until then you’re being dishonest and muddying the waters.

 

Uhhhhhh wtf

 

Do you ever wonder why most of the best functioning health care systems in the world don't already do that? Have you not entertained the idea that maybe it's not a good goal to have because it wouldn't function properly? Do you maintain that all of those systems which don't already do this "cost lives"??

There's a reason why other systems don't have to do this, BTW--because the publicly provided insurance negotiates prices down to a point where even the stuff that's not covered can be afforded because it's cheaper or, scarier yet, covered by.....supplemental private insurance.

I just think the histrionics about how terrible a public option would be probably need to be checked when even the people in Bernie's orbit are admitting M4A isn't going to happen.

 

Stories like this just make me feel....hopeless??

 

fight anti semetism! Also, don’t ever vote for the Jew

 

@MexicanGuitars how screwed are we re: climate change

 

We get it, you have good insurance. Please stop.

 

It’s a good goal to have because starting from that position is going to help create a product (if M4A can’t be fully realized) that helps more people (and kills less), than starting a from a more centrist position. It’s not that complicated. Yeah other countries have done things differently, but I’d hazard a guess that those other countries private healthcare systems weren’t as completely fucked as ours, before they developed their current systems

 

lol yeah okay, good response.
I'll take the public option and the $18k they currently spend on our health benefits as part of our salaries instead, plz. Actually might be more than that now that the kid is added.

 

Saying it's a good goal to have is a world of difference away from pretending the public option is some sort of neoliberal hellscape that's just going to kill people.

No one disagrees that shifting the overton window is a good negotiating tactic. But you're fooling yourself if you don't think the backlash against Bernie from the online left will be devastating, and the overall disappointment would crush any hopes of a "sustainable revolution" in the 2022 midterms, if this rhetoric about what he's most likely going to end up with (at best) continues to paint it as some sort of failure of a healthcare system instead of what it would be--the biggest left wing accomplishment and expansion of the social safety net since the Social Security Act of 1965, and would realize a goal that was talked about at least as far back as Teddy Roosevelt's presidency: universal coverage (presuming automatic enrollment)

All of that would be ignored and it would instead be painted as a "let down" and thousands of young people would go into "well whats the use of voting we just got something shitty anyway" mode. But, hey, maybe I'm just pessimistic and none of that would happen at all

 

Lol it won’t work like that man. They’ll offer you the insurance and if you opt out it’s on you.
Come on. Private insurance and the pharmaceutical/medical device industry in this country will attack a public option at every turn and through every process. Itll end up being the equivalent of a fucking bronze plan or something in ten years.
You’re coming off as a “Medicare for all who want it” guy right now and I’m not sure if that’s your intention or not.