Entertainment Forum General Chat Thread • Page 255

I mean I don’t think anyone is legitimately “mad”, but the same stuff happened when the Irishman came out and people launched a million bad takes into the internet and it’s not so much that I’m steaming mad or stewing on it, but noticing a bummer of a trend in the way a lot of people talk about film as art.

Now a lot of the Irishman stuff came from people being all huffy about Scorsese’s Marvel comments, but still.

 

I have a co-worker who makes me download the most obscure stuff for him, like 70's Japanese b-horror movies, and he hasn't watched The Irishman yet and it is starting to make me not want to talk to him anymore.

 

It certainly does in that it’s a movie, just like the others are. It’s fine if you have a group of like-minded people you can delve into movies about but complaining about people being excited about movies you consider below it is pretty lame. It’s textbook gatekeeping.

 

I think Disney forcing theaters to show Star Wars on more screens than they want is contributing a lot more to gatekeeping than my wanting people to watch more than movies made for children.

 

Well pardon me, good sir. I’ll be sure to find a list of approved movies for discussion at parties next time I go out.

 

This type of response is fascinating. No one said banish Star Wars, although Disney would love to banish anything they don't own. We just don't want Disney to have 100%.

We suffer culturally if this generation gets stuck in an endless loop of the kinds of movies designed for middle school students. Older generations still saw that stuff, but they had a wider palette.

 

I don’t disagree with your point about Disney.

What I do disagree with you is that it’s a negative that other people, who I’m assuming aren’t dedicated film enthusiasts, are excited about Star Wars and that you implied being college educated supposedly makes that even worse. It’s elitist.

 

I’d love to go to a party and everyone is discussing music and dissecting mewithoutYou lyrics and everything but I’m not going to complain that they were going on and on about some pop artist instead because I know that some of the things I like are niche. And that’s fine.

 

College-educated people are generally smarter than the average person. I would expect more from them compared to a bunch of high school graduates of the same age.

You don't have to be a film enthusiast to talk about films for adults. This is the one time of the year where mainstream films for adults actually come out in theaters.

 

You’re still implying that it’s a negative that people are excited about the end of the Star Wars saga, something they’ve grown up with for decades. And who are you to decide what should or shouldn’t be discussed at a party?

I generally agree with your talking points for most movies on here but this feels like a personal vendetta you have against Disney or someone or something in particular because it’s perfectly normal and fine for people to enjoy things you don’t like. And belittling them is just lame.

 

Maybe it’s a misplaced expectations kind of thing. I get bummed when “my stuff” gets overlooked on things I think are lesser than but I do my best to not let it get to me because I know most of “my stuff” is outside the norm. And if I needed those kind of discussions then I’d just have to find a group of people who share those particular interests, which this board has been a great venue for that.

 

Why does growing up with it matter? I don't want to watch Rugrats or Sesame Street or Power Rangers.

Disney is destroying the film industry. It has been talked to death in this forum, but to sum it up they are using abusive practices with theaters, buying up the competition, and stubbornly forcing their movies to adhere to a rigid type of creative process. We all suffer from Disney, whether we watch their films or not. When the next Star Wars films takes up six screens at a theater, that is five movies not being shown. When people are drawn into a non-stop hype feedback loop, those movies don't get recognition.

 

The film for adults/children/middle school students is so obviously backhanded and disrespectful. Its unnecessary and your very valid argument would be received a lot better without that unnecessary comment.

 

Yes, this is the gist of what I was trying to get across but couldn’t word it correctly.

 

No, everyone knows what films fall into what category. There are films made for children and films made for adults. It is a real problem if we have gone so far that we can't recognize the difference. The same goes for music, television, books, and so on.

 

Tetra in rare form today this is taking me back to the old site

 

I feel like this stuff is really uncontroversial. My students want to watch different movies than I want to watch. They listen to different types of music (not just different generations), read different books (if they read at all), and even play different types of games.

If you saw an 8 year old watching Marriage Story and a 45 year old watching Frozen 2 you would immediately notice it.

 

Whose side do you think the 8 year old would take at the end of Marriage Story?

 

that's dumb

 

The difference is that you’re using clear cut examples to show the difference in children and adult movies.

The new Star Wars movies aren’t categorically children’s movies like Frozen 2 is.

 

It is definitely a kids' movie. That is why everyone talks about how they grew up with it. That doesn't mean other people don't watch it (the budget is too huge for just kids) but the target is children. That is why they kill off the elderly people and make new cute robots and those hamster things.

 

I think the dad's side. It is a less nuanced view.

 

I think you’re oversimplifying and/or ignoring quite a bit of the themes and ideas, specifically from TLJ, in order to fit it into your argument when it really doesn’t fit.

 

You can talk critically and intellectually about kids entertainment but Star Wars is all kids entertainment and under Disney especially so. I liked the Last Jedi but the whole series is built off adventure serial shorts

 

But surely you can see the difference between TLJ and some Dreamworks movie intended for only children. It’s not black and white.