Watchmen (HBO) TV Show • Page 39

Really curious how they wrap this up.

 

Why would Angela take in the kids knowing the ten years was coming up?

 

because they were her partner's kids and she already considered them family and wanted them to have a home with someone they knew and trusted?

 

yeah petey is 100% lube man, next question

 

Assuming you're asking because you find the racial and political messages of the show to be messy/convoluted/potentially contradictory -- which I get, even if I don't necessarily feel that way (my fault if I'm wrong and you were actually just asking). I'd say the biggest 'messages' relate to matters of 1) privilege and entitlement (who does America "allow" to be a hero) and 2) inherited and enduring trauma. I could expand on what I think the show is saying about those themes, but those are the obvious ones and it's pretty clear what Will and Angela's stories say about them.

Here's the messy part, and the idea that I think is more ripe for discussion/argument. The show is obviously commenting on the comic's message of masked heroes being, in general, a bad thing. Which raises the question:
--Is the show's message that masked vigilantes are bad but only if they're white? That those problems are fixed by simply making the cops and heroes black?

If you believe the answer is 'yes', then it's safe to say the show's message is misguided and confused, or at least contradictory to the main theme of the source material. BUT I don't see it that way. Sure, we're not supposed to think Hooded Justice is 'bad' for killing some Nazis -- but I think the show takes enough steps to show us that he's also a fucked up individual whose rage consumed him and who lost much of his humanity when he put on the mask.

Nor do I think Angela is a purely good character. The pilot may make it look "cool" that she uses intimidation and violence because hey, the victims are neo Nazis, but she's still used the anonymity of the mask to put herself above the law. The scenes in Nixonville in particular were shot in a way that suggests the show does not view her breed of justice through violence as "just". And ultimately, the hero who has put the idea of being a police officer on a pedestal since childhood, and who has a "nose for white supremacism", was blind to the fact that she was the friend and right hand of a white supremacist cop this whole time.

Again I think there's a lot to unpack and potentially criticize here. But I like that about the show. I like that I'm wrestling with some of its ideas, and that there are some choices that I'm not sure I agree with. I think it has enough nuance that it's worthy of critique and conflicted opinions and I look forward to rewatching it and seeing if my feelings about any of those messages change.

 

i think it, like the original comic, paints every character in shades of grey and moral ambiguity.

 

Right, but if they have already been through tragedy and Angela knew more was coming, especially with the implication of who Cal is....just seems like a big risk on her part to me.

 

All she knew was that their relationship would end tragically, she didn't know what that meant specifically. But also, isn't that a risk worth taking when the alternative is them having nowhere to go?

 

yeah they took the kids in after the white night happened and thats like,,,, well she isn't not going to do that when their parents (her friends) got murdered.

 

I love the time travel paradox of Angela telling Will about Crawford's secret that he otherwise wouldn't have known about. It reminds me of Locke's compass in Lost.

 

I understand that what DC did to Moore was horrible and he's absolutely right to feel the way he does toward them for it, but I honestly think there's a good chance that if Moore actually sat down and watched this show he'd like it.

 

‎The Watch on Apple Podcasts

Lindelof on The Watch podcast today

 

The time stuff makes no sense and is really silly and it’s really distracting me from an otherwise interesting story.

 

I wonder who will play superman


Joking

 

It's nothing new in the context of Watchmen, though. All typical Dr. Manhattan stuff that was in the book

 

For some reason this episode wasn’t that great to me. Put a lot in context sure I just didn’t care for the format it was presented in

 

Yeah around the 20 minute mark I was getting tired of the bar conversation specifically and wanted them to move on with it

 

It didn't feel like a prequel to the final episode, other than that I loved it

 

Maybe nothing new but definitely taken to absurd levels

 

I can't really articulate it very well but I think the way they filmed the nonlinear timeline while also making it very easy to follow, is pretty incredible

 

not gonna lie, the part where angela realizes she don goofed was pretty good

also the fact that they put A BAR as ABAR in the title was very slick haha

 

"Oh my god, I did this?!?" I loved that

 

overall this is still the best show on television until Killing Eve is back.

 

It's interesting how glass hasn't been shown in awhile