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Discussion in 'Politics Forum' started by Melody Bot, Mar 13, 2015.

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  1. Dominick

    Prestigious Prestigious

    I agree. So, why do you have a problem with cops being murdered?

    In any event, blowing up a person is fucking ridiculous. They always find the most ghastly ways to murder us.
     
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  2. rst Jul 8, 2016
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    rst

    Regular

    Can you guys read? Nope i never once said violence shouldnt be met with violence. I said pretty much the opposite.
    Here is one such instance. When one person is actively shooting and killing people then violence can/should be used to kill him. If he stopped shooting then violence wouldnt be needed.
     
  3. thrwaway

    Newbie

    i think the fucker deserved it.
     
  4. billythomas

    Newbie

    you're upset they killed the shooter? are you being serious?
     
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  5. clucky

    Prestigious Supporter

    So you would be supportive of someone who started shooting the cops after they shot Alton Sterling?
     
  6. thrwaway

    Newbie

    i would if it was the same exact cop. not completely different people. why is that so hard for this thread to grasp?
     
  7. rst

    Regular

    I agree with a lot of stuff you say but vehemently disagree with the stuff i dont. If a cop murders an innocent person then i dont have a problem with him being killed. Throw in rapists too. Im not a pacifist. If a cop is going to murder an innocent person then i also dont have a problem with him being killed. But i dont advocate the murdering of cops because they are cops.
     
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  8. clucky

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    what if a cop murders a non-innocent person? and how can innocence be determined without a court of law and due process?
     
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  9. rst

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    If the cop was still a threat then yes, just like any normal person. I dont hold cops above any normal civilian, they should not have any more rights than anyone else. Because of their position of power i think they should be held to a higher standard than the normal citizen and punished appropriately.
     
  10. Chaplain Tappman

    Trusted Prestigious

    because you've done a terrible job of explaining your position and seem to still misunderstand what is being presented to you. the job of police is to enforce the status quo of racial oppression. this is an act of violence all police take part in by virtue of their being police. they protect capital at the expense of human life and brutalize black bodies on a daily basis. you think there are cops who are not complicit in this violence; the underlying premise of "dismantle and potentially eradicate the police" is that they are the physically violent portion of a system which regularly visits violence upon people of color.
     
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  11. sophos34

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    I support due process for all citizens.
     
  12. Malatesta

    i may get better but we won't ever get well Prestigious

    Once my flatmate had a schizophrenic episode and wandered out (we live in West Philly) into a blizzard at 3 AM. His ex called me panicking, so I got up and ran out to try to find him. I saw him wandering east maybe two blocks out, called for him, but he didn't hear me, and I was I out there in my pajamas and it was snowing like crazy. I was so scared that I called 911. I forget if I asked for an ambulance, but police came, and in maybe the half hour it took for them to come, he wandered back. The cop asked if they needed to "knock some sense into him" and grinned, and I went back in and asked and he said he didn't want to talk to them, so I told them that and they left.

    Only later did I think about how badly it could have gone and how either or both of us could have gotten hurt by the officers, even for two white guys. I cannot imagine how much distrust poc must have for police.
     
  13. Dominick

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    Cops murder innocent people a lot, particularly in marginalized communities. This is an institutional practice. It stands to reason that if you understand this, you are complicit and, therefore, subject to the same random violence you inflict on us.
     
  14. rst

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    I dont get what youre asking. if a person is using lethal force against a cop (or any person) then that cop/person can use lethal force in return in order to save her life. a court of law does determine innocence (although can and has been wrong). due process isnt violated.
     
  15. Malatesta

    i may get better but we won't ever get well Prestigious

    Eric Garner, Freddie Gray, Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and Tamir Rice did not use lethal force and were still murdered.
     
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  16. rst

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    You clearly dont understand due process.

    Yes, we both agree that it is an institutional practice. Where we disagree is on what punishment and movement should be taken to stop in order to stop it. I disagree that all cops should be murdered. You do realize that many, many officers go in with the intention to help fix the system and include all race, gender, religion, etc. I dont advocate killing them all. BlackLivesMatter seems to be one of the most appropriate groups to look to for guidance here an neither do they. Im not sure what else to say.
     
  17. Dominick

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    They should stop being cops, then. I don't advocate killing them all, but if they're intent on remaining part of a oppressive institution, then yes, they must go. Bottom line.
     
  18. rst

    Regular

    I agree and its completely fucked and wrong. As ive said i agree with what everyone is saying and want the same outcome but i dont think the solution is to kill random cops. Do you advocate for the murder of cops? If you, or anyone else, advocates for that then i am going to disagree with you.
     
  19. clucky

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    how do you determine if the other person is using "lethal force" and if they are "still a threat" (which you clarified, still needed to be checked before its okay to kill cops who have used lethal force)? is that just a gut call?

    Once a person has been killed, its too late for the court to determine their innocence or lack there of.
     
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  20. sophos34

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    Enlighten me then, how is killing a suspect before they're given a trial part of due process
     
  21. rst

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    I said the same thing about the guy who just killed 5 cops, that because he was an active threat still trying to kill more that it was ok to kill him and stop it. However, if he was no longer an active threat then they shouldnt have blown him up. Im not treating cops any better. For this situation he was still shooting at cops after negotiations and telling them there were bombs and that it would all end soon. So thats obviously lethal force and still a threat. But it doenst have to include guns, if you are kicking a guy in the head with boots on then you are using lethal force (grievous bodily harm) against him and i can probably shoot you to prevent possible death.

    Courts determine innocence after death all the time. In a vacuum the laws actually make sense. However, when all the other factors that should be immaterial like race, gender, sexual preference, wealth, etc. seep in for over a hundred years then you get the fucked up institutionalized system we have today. I work in the court system, i see this all the time. Its wrong. Id like to be apart of the solution to try and make it better. A lot of the cops are great, some are complete dicks. I have absolutely questioned the veracity of police reports and want the same change as everyone else. I just dont think killing cops is the solution.
     
  22. Malatesta

    i may get better but we won't ever get well Prestigious

    My personal relationship with and take on violence is... Complicated. I do not celebrate anyone's death, and personally I don't advocate it, but I understand why the shooting in Dallas occurred, and I don't know if I can condemn it.
     
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  23. clucky

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    Do you agree that it is possible to not condemn an action and also not condone it?
     
  24. iam1bearcat

    i'm writing a book, leave me alone.

    i say / ask this because i'm trying to keep up with the info released but it's hard to do and i may have missed something, but do we, the public, know why the shooting happened? i've seen things that said the shooter wanted to kill cops and / or white people, but do we know why yet? was it "just" because of the shootings earlier in the week, or was it something else as well?

    i guess my concern with what i highlighted in your post comes from feeling like people know why the shooter did what he did but we may not actually know yet so people are applying their feelings / anger of recent events to his actions which may not exactly correlate.
     
  25. Junction183

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