General Politics Discussion [ARCHIVED] • Page 167

I fee that killing is wrong. No matter who is doing it.

 

You definitely don't get it...

 

Neutrality favors the oppressor, again....

 

Enlighten me.

 

the first time I heard that Dom (back on AP) was okay with officers being killed, I, too, was blown away. how could someone so progressive, so intellectual, be okay with more violence? and even still, it's sometimes jarring to hear that perspective. I've considered myself a pacifist for perhaps as long as I can remember. but I eventually realized how privileged my viewpoint was. I'm a suburban white guy. the only semi-negative encounter with a police officer in my entire life was when one woke up my girlfriend and me by knocking on the window of her Ford Explorer. we were teenagers and we were in the parking lot of a playground late at night; we'd fallen asleep after fooling around in her car. had I not been white, that encounter could very well have ended in my death. instead, he made sure we weren't drunk/on drugs and sent us on our way.

think about the KKK, or ISIS. would you be okay knowing that one of their members had been killed? or would you cry out, assuring everyone that they were one of the "good ones"? put yourself in Dom's shoes. how are the police any different from the KKK, from ISIS? they sure as hell aren't the good guys. they routinely murder your people simply for existing in their space. it's difficult to adjust your worldview and it's something I'm still trying to do in different ways on a daily basis, but when you consider the reality that black Americans live with, I find it nearly impossible to blame one of them for not sympathizing after the death of an oppressor.

 

I'm unsure how you could read that as him being amused. Everyone's heads would explode because our racist society expects the shooter to be black. It's really not complicated.

 

I definitely get the anger coming from protesters and it is entirely justified. But if we are having a serious discussion, comparing cops to ISIS isn't going to work. If you think it does, I would encourage any woman, person of color, LGBT, or Jew to walk through a police station, then walk through an ISIS training camp.

Again, let's have an exchange of opinions and ideas, but lets do so seriously.

 

But he said part of him "wants" the shooters to be white, so he could watch everyone's heads explode, presumably for his own amusement. People are dying, but Richter will get to make a smug FB post or three about white people, so I guess it's a win for him?

 

The entire point was that comparing cops to ISIS does work, but you're able to ignore it because you aren't in danger.

You're assuming a lot there.

 

that's a fairly extreme leap there.

 

The system is completely broken and needs to be fixed but i dont think advocating for the murder of police is the solution. Saying "enough is enough" doesnt mean you have to murder people. The cops that are responsible for murder and injustices should be held accountable and need to be treated like any other person which is currently not happening. Islam is used as an oppressive force in this world but I dont advocate the murder of Muslims, only those responsible.

This isnt weird nor unnecessary. I would like to know where the owner of this website stands on the murder of police to decide whether i want to keep coming here. This is a forum where ideas and thoughts are discussed, which is exactly what im doing.

I dont support the killing of innocent black people or any innocent person. Jason has made it abundantly clear that he doesnt support the killing of innocent black people either so there is no reason to ask if he does. However, if he did support the killing of innocent black people then i would leave the site.

 

I am sure the people of ISIS-controlled Iraq and Syria would vehemently disagree with the comparison.

We can all agree that there is a major problem with the unchecked violent police/state/federal power over it's citizens. But if this discussion is to go anywhere, we should be honest and realistic about the scope, causes, and solutions.

I am open to being corrected.

 

Saying the system is "broken" is incorrect. The system was designed and has operated from day one to oppress and mutilate black bodies. It has served that function exceedingly well for hundreds of years. Our country was born in part because people didn't like being taxed for teas, so we started shooting the British, who enforced those laws. Would you have told those rebels that the answer wasn't murder? When does a revolution become justified? When white men's interests are at stake?

 

This is off-topic but ISIS has laid claim to almost 20,000 deaths over the last two years in Iraq alone which, while likely grossly inaccurate, is still far more than the 3,000 killed here by police, which is 3,000 too many, and I completely agree with the KKK comparison, but ISIS is taking that a bit too far considering, as you put it, you aren't the one in danger.

 

Good observation. Keep it up.

 

I don't post on fb but I might say something here. Consider blocking me. Or leaving ap all together I don't care.

 

I apologize if the ISIS comparison was misguided, I was trying to think of a group that white people can universally agree are "bad guys." I don't want to speak for anyone, but I'd imagine people of color feel similarly about the police force, even if the scopes and reasons for their actions are different.

 

I would say cops are closer to the American military complex as opposed to Isis. Isis is a violent backlash to military oppression, of which there's no real comparable group. Black panthers of the 60s?

 

No need to apologize. It's emotional to different people for different reasons. We are all just trying to reconcile our thoughts here.

 

I would 100% agree with your first statement. Especially considering the artillery that police precincts across the country now possess.

The motivations of ISIS is a rabbit hole that I'm not prepared to go down right now. So I'll leave that one alone.

 

Understood. ISIS wasn't originally my comparison but I do see where Scott was coming from in the sense that they likely instill a similar fear in US that the police do in black people. I see he's already addressed that too so I'll leave it at that.

 

Murdering random police officers isnt analogous. I support and stand with BlackLivesMatter and "advocate dignity, justice and freedom. Not murder." If you want to support other organizations and ideals then thats your right. I disagree.

 

Police are the armed apparatus of the state. Overturning that system wouldn't consist of taking potshots at cops on the streets and running away. It would be an organized attempt at removing them from that position of power and, if deemed necessary to replace them, restructuring that new institution in such a way that the violence of the past will not be repeated. Your mistake is in thinking people are talking solely about "murdering random police officers" as though that is the endgame. It is not. That would simply be a piece of the revolutionary puzzle many people here feel is necessary to achieve anything resembling equity and equality.

 

Reading some of these posts make this board seem like a borderline Nazi belief thread. Supporting the deaths of people just because of their occupation? Geez Louise. Talk about judging a whole spectrum of people based on the actions of the very, very, few that did horrible acts.

 

...have you not read any posts in this thread? Try to actually learn why people might feel this way before throwing around bullshit like comparing an oppressed group to Nazis.