Game of Thrones (HBO) TV Show • Page 557

So the more I think about the last episode the more I love it. The past two seasons I've been complaining about "fan service" and "plot armor" and The Bells gave us so many huge deaths that didn't play out like expected at all.

You can say that Jamie and Cersei's death didn't pay off their arc or add up to anything, but the same could be said about Ned, Rob, Caitlin, Stanis, Margaery..... their deaths were all sudden and happened when the characters were still trying to accomplish something. I like it gave me a taste of the earlier seasons.

 

I watched the half hour "behind the episode" video last night after watching the episode and damn, that set construction was awesome.

 

I was gonna post about this also - you can nitpick the show all you want but it is unreal what they do to film and create these episodes.

 

Apparently that picture of Cersei and Jaime hugging and his real hand visible instead of his gold hand is a fake in that it wasn't in the episode, just a picture from some website of them hugging on set one day.

 

Also yes, the level of production is astounding and pretty much as good as it gets for something like this in film and television.

 

Just a reminder that “nitpick” and “critique” mean different things

 

In a show with magic, zombies and dragons I'm not batting an eye at someone regrowing his hand moments before death to get one last ass grab in. Seems fair to me.

 

Need to grab a few of those shots for future political discussions.

 

Also if you want a TRUE nitpick, I can’t get over the fact that in episode one it was clearly shown that Dany uses “queen” in a romantic context in that barfy scene with Jon and it was an established part of their flirting whether I enjoyed it or not, but suddenly in this one he says she’s his queen and that has only one meaning to her! Like I know that she was right in the middle of her breakdown and it was totally in character for Jon to have no response at all to that, but I was dying for him to remind her of everything that word means to their relationship.

 

this makes me sad but its interesting to read him being so candid

 

It has made me happy that even the most toxic parts of the fan base are going out of their way to compliment the actors for giving it their all and doing their best. People still love Varys and Conleth even if the writing for him took a nosedive.

 

man i love my best friend but we hadn't talked for a few days and he messaged me this morning with a big bitch sesh about GoT and we argued and his criticisms were the dumbest shit ive ever read, it made me really appreciate the more critical types in here haha.

 

I think Hill's criticisms and viewpoint are pretty well thought out. But I hate these out of context clips to try and reinforce that "All the actors hate the 'Game of Thrones' last season too!"

Like come on, most are probably being asked this for the thousandth time and would rather be asked to name list their favorite recipe ingredient-by-ingredient than answer what the finale, which they can't talk about in any detail, will be like.

 

Do tell! I’ve seen a fair amount of that on my FB. I also saw someone who is normally super intelligent make a big post that he hadn’t seen it yet and to not spoil him or make any statuses about the show where he could see it. That....... did not go well.

 

Foreshadowing that Jamie will emerge from the ashes and become the Hand of the king, perhaps?

 

Liam Cunningham laughing at Conleth Hill's face when asked "do you like how it ended" is absolute gold.

 

I think this is what sits with me so weirdly about a lot of the endgame of it all. Each character has gone through a lot of changes throughout the show, but with a ton of them, their story essentially ends with "Well, this is who I've always been. Shouldn't have even tried to fight it!" Jaime still obsessed with Cersei over everything else, Dany is still obsessed with power and her destiny of ruling with an iron fist, The Hound still obsessed with revenge on The Mountain, etc.

Like, we understand that those things were always part of their characters, but we were given 8 seasons of them wrestling with these things and moving on or growing out of them. It's not a contradiction or anything, it just feels more like they all gave up after a decade of internal conflict. Not exactly sure what the takeaway is supposed to be.

 

Dany's was handled poorly. The Hound and Jaime both make complete sense though.

 

That twitter thread convinced me that the hound's ending did not make sense at all really but it was still cool and fun

 

I don’t think Dany’s has been perfect, but one of the strengths of this season has been dramatizing her continuing downward trend of loss and isolation. Meanwhile I’m not opposed to how Jamie ended, but the way they got there was pretty terrible.

I disagree on the Hound. And I think a big sticking point for me is that it’s literally happening to nearly every character. My friend texted me how much he liked these endings because “people can’t change” and I just fundamentally disagree with that messaging.

 

The Hound always seemed like a tragic character who was bound to die from seeking revenge and nothing throughout the last eight years really suggested otherwise to me.

 

- still salty about the Starbucks cup and still using it as proof that they dont care
- thinks that the four more episodes would have fixed everything because they "clearly rushed" production of this season to "go ruin Star Wars faster". i mentioned that they spent 55 days on one battle in response and he responded by saying the action sucks.
- he said all the fights are "one minute scenes" and i assume he means the more climactic one on one stuff given how TWO ENTIRE EPISODES have been battles.
- token "Endgame ruined GoT for me" comment, neglecting to mention most of the non-team up Marvel movies are inconsequential as fuck
- he bets that we "aren't even gonna see the end of Winterfell's story", even though their story was the Walkers and the walkers have been resolved
- some shit about how the characters aren't holding their swords correctly

here's my fav

 

Well that's dumb haha

They did rush it tho

 

I also fundamentally disagree with that message (although who knows if it’s even intentional on their part), and especially with the way it has been handled. Some shows can pull that off in a general sense because that view has been built in from the beginning or pull it off for specific characters if their particular story has always had that tragic failure involved. This hasn’t ever really committed to that idea, and there are enough characters who HAVE changed that it totally undoes any blanket statement that “no one can change, it’s hopeless to try, you are doomed from birth”.