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This thread lol if only Cersei’s army defended the city the way some people in here defend this show from legitimate, thoughtful, well-constructed criticism

Edit: not referring to the posts above, just more generally about the last 30 pages I just caught up on from the last two episodes

 

Ouch

 

I think the dragon getting shot isn’t the issue, it’s that she was literally in the sky and got surprised by them and then D&D saying she forgot the fleet existed.

 

Yeah but why wouldn't Dany and the dragon just fuck up the ships right then and there if it was that easy for them? Makes no sense that they would back off and let the ships take out Dany's ships and kidnap her bff.

 

Their foot-in-mouth syndrome doesn't change what's actually in the episode though. When they make their plans at Winterfell they are clearly operating from the assumption that the Iron Fleet would be permanently stationed in Blackwater Bay. She didn't "forget they existed" so much as she thought they wouldn't leave the city undefended.

 

For me I think the compressed timeline and the rushed pace of everything makes it feel like whiplash where the Scorpions all of a sudden are POWERFUL AF and can take out a dragon and a whole fleet of ships easily, but then the next episode they can't really do anything and a dragon takes out literally every single last one of them.

I know I sound like a broken record but most of my main complaints are with how fast everything is happening and not so much what is happening per se.

 

The visceral shock of losing a second dragon and her snap decision in the moment to retreat and save her last one before they could kill it too.

 

See this just comes off to me as defending bad writing. If the reasoning works for you though, more power to you.

 

Jaime spent the whole episode literally sprinting backwards through his own arc. The rush to show him doing such an about face and throwing away all he’s done (and especially his views on saving or killing innocent people) makes me so sad. That is one of the best examples of pacing meaning the difference between something being incredibly tragic or just whiplash-inducing and disappointing. We talked about that and how it entered into the development of his relationship with Brienne, but I didn’t expect it to be so true for his story as a whole.

 

The “I don’t really care for the innocent” line after he becomes King Slayer for defending the innocent. Woof.

 

But she's the mother of dragons. They're her children. You think it's unrealistic that in that moment she'd be conflicted over whether to put her last surviving child in danger and choose to retreat instead?

 

Yeah, that's not very convincing to me. The next day she just flew straight at the fleet so she clearly wasn't so worried they could kill her dragon to even come up with a clever plan.

 

The next day she was pissed off and hanging on to her self-control by a thread. And she was bloodthirsty for revenge. She'd thrown caution to the wind because of Missandei and Jon and Tyrion and Varys. Totally different circumstance.

 

I took this as him trying to put his emotional armor back on, a defense mechanism that he retreated back into with ease after having broken out of it the last season or so.

 

Better writing in your last handful of posts than in this last season of the show...

 

Also did Jaime become the Kingslayer to "defend the innocent" or did he do it to gain power for his family/because his father told him to.

 

I'd also point out that Drogon was almost on NK/Viserion attacking the wall levels last night. The initial swoop by the wall with Viserion was literally the fastest we had ever seen a dragon fly, Dany and Drogon have always moved a bit slower than that, but it was clear last night that she was pushing the limits on how fast she was willing to go with him.

 

I see what you're saying. I think it boils down to Drogon being the strongest Dragon and also having witnessed how his siblings died. He's dodged multiple attacks before and the way she flew in this episode was completely different than the way they were flying when they were ambushed. Everything is definitely rushed, so that does not help, but I just don't buy that Dany having a plan to attack/different approach/more experience didn't pay off. They clearly illustrated that she attacked strategically and it worked really well. She flew in high and used the sun to aid in her approach, then stayed low weaving in and out of ships, forcing them to turn their scorpions a lot, which were not easy to turn. She stayed low on the run up to KL forcing them to take difficult shots and limiting the time they had to aim. I just don't get the criticism.

 

She had a chance to save Missandei and she was watching her people get f'd up by Euron and did nothing, when she could have apparently easily saved them all. That would be better reasoning for charging straight in than waiting a day and stewing on it, but to each their own.

 

I think it was more the order to bring him his father's head. I think Jaime just watching the Mad King go mad and give mad orders to burn them all MIGHT have sent him over the edge, but that + being ordered to go bring Aerys Tywin's head was enough for him to go "aw HELL nah"

 

I would buy this explanation if she didn’t nose dive towards the ships screaming while dodging shots left and right.

 

But he also had to know Tywin had switched sides and what the plan was. Idk I always thought that all those stories/excuses Jaime told about why it was honorable to kill Aerys was just him rationalizing it to himself.

 

There should have been a cleverer option for Dany this week than “doing the same thing as before but it works this time” and letting fans do the heavy lifting for why it worked in this circumstance and wasn’t feasible before

 

Even that could have been an absolutely devastating moment of realizing how little he values himself, but it’s delivered as if that’s just objectively true and he really never cared. I feel like something got skipped in his story to make him so totally dejected and depressed and it hurt the whole thing. I’m super glad they didn’t fridge Brienne for the sake of this plot, but some type of catalyst is missing internally for his downfall.

 

what’s the spoiler here