Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (J.J. Abrams, December 20, 2019) Movie • Page 136

Ive brought a pizza pie into a theater with friends. It ruled.

 

Starting to remember why I so rarely go to the theatre

 

I did that once and it was one of my favorite moments in a theater ever. I had one of those like 13” Quizno’s subs and a large drink inside my purse (to share) because we ran late and didn’t have time to eat it before like we planned, and when I pulled it out it was like a cartoon. The guy next to me just kept staring and staring as more came out of this not very large purse. I laugh every time I think about it. We did finish it all during the previews though.

I like to go to the 21+ sit down full meal kinds of shows for special occasions too, but it costs so much.

 

I go to the movie theater maybe twice a year now, and the only movies i’ll see are the big blockbuster films like an Avengers or Star Wars so they don’t get ruined for me the first weekend. Otherwise, i’ll wait til Vudu or VOD.

 

I love the theater experience, despite most big chains (AMC in particular’s) best attempts to destroy it

 

I usually go to the movies once a week. Popcorn every time and bring my own water

 

Same. I always bring my own water. No way am I spending $7 on a large soda.

 

You shit on me and try to act like I’m a moron on here for every opinion I have, and you live with this one. OK.

 

The only decent food I’ve ever experienced in a theater was at Movie Taverne.

 

bring my own waters after getting an allergic reaction (?) to dasani bottles at the local AMC. super fucking weird lol.

 

The drive-in is awesome for so many reasons, food being one of them. I need to get to ours much more often than I have in the past.

 

You not understanding that moment is pretty clearly a catalyst for your “opinions” about the franchise being so wrong. Which you say are opinions, but most of the time they’re just badly repeated fake “flaws” about something you don’t understand or choose to not understand.

Yes, the pacifist moment in Jedi is one of the most iconic and important in history. The hero saying “I will not fight you” defines this saga, one of the largest and most important in pop-culture history, and it’s what makes Jedi special. It’s the opposite of virtually every other “hero” and story of what “great men” are supposed to do. It’s the essence of Star Wars.

 

Seconded. You can really go apeshit with food at the Drive-In's. There's one about 20 minutes from my house that brings donuts, hot dogs, coffees, drinks, etc. to your car throughout the movie via a call button you get upon entry. Really fucking cool.

 

I don’t think any of the theaters here would even let you bring your own water

 

I never thought of pacifism as the takeaway from RotJ. To me the Jedi are special due to the fact that they resist the temptation of the dark side, of the power it offers over others. If they were truly pacifists they wouldn't carry lightsabers. Luke isn't refusing to fight on the basis of pacifism, but to ultimately turn away from the dark side and Palpatine and become a Jedi.

Here's another super interesting take on the saga that I found a while ago:

Star Wars in Mythology: The Shadow | StarWars.com

 

You should revisit it then through that lens. (I also didn’t say they’re pacifists. I said a pacifist moment.)

 

A good thread on the topic that hits at the basics. I’ve written way too much about it in other threads to do it again. Heh.

 

That's interesting. I never really thought of Luke as a bad ass during that moment and it's crazy to me that so many people wanted that out of him in TLJ. I respect RJ a bit more now for his treatment of that in hindsight.

I think there is more to this than just the notion of Luke not fighting anymore and I disagree with Jonathan that the battle is what's corrupting him. Giving into his emotions, his fear and anger, is what's corrupting him and that manifests itself into the battle with Vader.

During the cave scene on Dagobah Yoda warns Luke against the emotional trappings of the Dark Side (anger, fear, hate) and even says the Jedi use the Force for knowledge and defense. Luke takes his weapons against Yoda's counsel because he is afraid of what he will encounter. It's not the weapons that draw Vader out in the cave, but Luke's fear of confronting him. He's sees Vader, becomes aggressive (activates his saber first) and when he finally cuts Vader down he sees the result of that initial fear.

Pacifism is a means to resist the Dark Side but I don't think it sufficiently explains Luke's hero journey through the OT.

 

I’m pretty sure we’re agreeing for the most part, I never said nothing else is going on in the moment, but why the moment matters so much and why the response defines the saga.

 

Oh please. Overdramatic.

 

Fair enough. I'm now realizing I read "what makes Jedi special" as "what makes (the) Jedi special". My mistake. I still take issue with it as the "essence" of Star Wars as I think the essence is the archetypal hero's journey.

Interesting discussion nonetheless.

 

I should italicize more. Heh.

 

Just had a discussion with a friend about his hatred of Luke in VIII. It's like speaking to a brick wall with him. "Nah, Luke should've been like he was in Return Of The Jedi, he was too angry in The Last Jedi and it made him such a dick."

Could be the obvious take but the main criticism of TLJ where people complain that Luke wasn't the hopeful, idealistic hero he was in the OT are flawed.

His pacifist moments in ROTJ I believe are good indicators of his teachings from Yoda, but like LightWithoutHeat said, he didn't have this approach throughout all of that movie, and especially not towards the end of TESB. The whole idea of the Jedi being warriors of peace is fascinating, but there are some moments in Empire and ROTJ when Luke's emotions were tested, of course he was going to lash out and go against Yoda's lessons. He might've been the last Jedi, he wasn't the perfect one.

His change of demeanour was explained in black and white in TLJ. Being the last of the Jedi at the end of ROTJ, and then going to train a new generation and having one of your most promising pupils turn on you can make you question the teachings themselves and your place within them. Hence the burning of the sacred texts, and saying it was time for the Jedi to end. Luke wasn't sure his mistakes could be of any use to Rey and her training. Another moment where his emotions overtook the lessons he'd learned all those years ago.

Luke lacked control in these moments, which was directly in opposition to Yoda's teachings. As said above, his strongest/most-Jedi-like moment was in his refusal to fight in ROTJ.

 

so much of what people disliked about TLJ boils down to what they thought Luke should have been. that's the perception of Luke that they've built up in their head over the years, not what his character actually is and becomes.

and I say this as someone who did the same thing with Darth Vader before Rogue One came out. I had this idea in my head of who Vader was that didn't line up at all with the character and it bothered me. That's because of my dumb expectations, not through any fault of the character.