Pinegrove - Skylight (September 28, 2018) Album • Page 103

I'd like to remind PG fans that you don't always need to post something positive about the band while a discussion of the accusations is taking place. The thread hasn't been bumped in over a month and now y'all are out here with updates and commentary when something else re: the bad stuff is brought up? Weird look

 

I'm just honestly trying to figure out what the point of that article was. No luck.

 

I may be reading too much into it but the final paragraph makes me think that the point of the article was to say that all these people who claim to be so conflicted about supporting this band and say they have complex feelings about forgiveness and atonement, etc., are actually not as conflicted as they seem once they're in the venue singing along to all the songs. Like the girl who claims she's "very involved with sexual assault awareness" at her college. I'm probably giving it too much credit/projecting my own thoughts onto it, though.

 

I could see that. I guess I'm just not thrilled with the quality of writing here, however cool that closing line sounds, ha.

 

yeah, same. It’s poorly written and confusing

 

It definitely muddles the point for pretty much the entirety of the piece until the very end. Like I said above, before the last paragraph it almost reads like one of those sympathetic "Dispatches from Trump Country" pieces that have been done to death since 2016. totally agree that it could've used a rework for more clarity.

 

At the end of the day, how much can you honestly care about or empathize with victims if you're giving money to their abusers and validating the abusers existence in the music scene by going to shows and singing their songs? Which is further silencing/ignoring the voice of the victims. I mean how is it so hard to not see how that is harmful and enabling behavior? It honestly makes me so mad that people are gonna just act like nothing happened with this band, like they get to waltz back into the scene and put out music and play shows and the victim(s) never got peace.

 

Right, and I think this was the ultimate point of the piece, it just was not communicated well enough at all in the tone of the first 95% of the writing. I don't know why it needed to be written like it had a twist ending, because as it stands up to that point it sounds like it is sympathizing with the poor Pinegrove fans who don't know if they should still be supporting the band while waiting on line for a concert that they paid for. Maybe the article was relying on the pure hypocrisy of it all to get the meaning across but it didn't exactly come off that way.

 

100% agree.

 

I think the whole endgame in the #metoo coverage is to finally figure out what it takes for someone to get called out and rehabilitated. I think journos are latching on to Pinegrove, because surface level it looks like they were called out, acted respectfully and kept silent, and slowly rolled out to what now seems to be a pretty successful comeback.*

Since it was never made public what Evan actually did, and there isn't really those damning public accusations, it's a perfect situation to find that redemption story on how men can possibly be reintegrated into society.

(FWIW I agree that this is another "interviews from trumpland" piece that tries to humanize people who made very very poor choices in life and those pieces are stupid boring and taking space away from more interesting stories, but I totally see why press is super interested in what Pinegrove does next)

*i know a lot of people have different info that makes PG sound better/worse, I'm just framing it from people who wouldn't have intimate knowledge of the situation.

 

no forgiveness. no restitution. no rehabilitation. no working towards redemption. ever?

If you're getting mad at people going to their show - what would any of the above look like to you?

 

All ESH has done is obfuscate and distort and misrepresent throughout this entire ordeal. And we know that there's more than one victim. And we know he is no longer acting in accordance with this specific victim's wishes. Forgiveness is earned. Rehabilitation requires work. Redemption is not a right. He abused his platform and now feels entitled to having it back.

No.

 

Forgiveness and rehabilitation can happen. It didnt, in this case

 

I waxed poetic about this, if you're interested.

The Road To Redemption: Music and the "Me Too" Movement AuxCord.FM

 

You seem really certain about a lot of things in this extremely vague scenario - is that because you have information the public isn't privy to?

If the info you have isn't private - could you illustrate:

-How you know ESH has been purposefully misdirecting and distorting in his speaking on the matter?
-How you know there is more than one victim? Is this person also a victim of a fan/performer power imbalance in a relationship with ESH? If not, what kind of abuse are we talking about?
-How do you know ESH is no longer acting in accordance with the aforementioned power balance victim's wishes?

 

I'm not doing your work for you, go back and read through the thread.

 

Can you shed light on why you think that is?

Seemingly, we have one of the mildest forms of abuse that the scene has seen (a unacknowledged power imbalance in a consensual relationship) and one of the most explicit paths towards reparations (a year off as per the victim's supposed wishes, a year of therapy, constant assertions of "THIS MATTERS", pre-show abuse awareness workshops).

So why is forgiveness and rehabilitation so out of the question?

 

I sort of figured you would opt out of the time and effort, I don't blame you but c'mon. You are the one who made those assertions with that COMPLETE confidence. I've read through every post in this thread and I certainly wouldn't assert what you have with that level of certainty.

 

It's not my job to educate you. If you've been following the thread then you already know and are just playing dumb. If you haven't, you can either educate yourself or keep doing what you're doing. I already know which one you'll pick, though. Enjoy dying on that hill for your fav and always remember that he neither knows nor cares that you're doing so, or that you even exist in the first place. I sincerely hope it's worth it.

 

why is it always the same poster doing this

 

Big shock that this dude didn’t happen to quote Anna

 

Read Anna's piece. Do some research. Think long and hard about your role in precipitating the abuse the victim has already suffered through. If your first instinct is to always come in here and defend abusers instead of trying to lift up the voice of the victims then you are part of the problem.

We might not feel like any of that is our problem, and we might even be right. But if we are willing to put our neck out for someone who has been accused of wounding someone this deeply, we must also be willing to accept that we are just as complicit in re-traumatizing the victim.

From Anna's piece

 

Multiple posts and linked tweets have noted that the victim in the p4k piece is unhappy. Multiple posts and linked tweets have noted that there is more than one victim. If you can acknowledge that and still can’t see why people are hesitant to support the band, idk what to tell you.

 

Scared to know is so good