Accountability in Music • Page 192

Doesn't anyone that's better with words than me want to argue with someone in the Tour Prediction thread about Don Broco

 

Because he's a hot commodity, hotter still because he's deceased and easier to market than an artist who is alive and might deteriorate in "talent". Kind of perverse, huh?

No one is untouchable. Not R Kelly, not Trump, no one. It just takes more effort, but if any change is possible it's worth the effort.

How can someone get Spotify play stats, like a top 40 or top 10 list, if one is not an artist / business rep? Are they released publically through any trade journals and if so how often? It would be really interesting to see how much R Kelly's plays have increased due to the Netflix documentary. I am sure they have gone up and not down and making that known might help Spotify change their policies about his music -- that is to change again, and hopefully not reverse themselves like they did before.

 

R. Kelly's Spotify Streams Surge 16 Percent After Docuseries Airs - XXL

 

It's Russian bots I tell you! Fake news!

R. Kelly’s Streams Reportedly Increased After The Docuseries — & That’s Bad

Refinery29 was the only non hip-hop media source I found that reported trying independently to contact Spotify for an update. Maybe we will see more reported there.

 

Dame was in the Fiesta video so he's full of it.. as always

 

Well, at least he's Chance the Rapper and not Chance the Pop Punker so I didn't have to read the hashtags #nomoresilence or #bandstakeastand

I'm almost sick of the word "problematic" but I'm tempted to use it to soften my criticism of some of what he's saying here.

I'm a white woman so it's maybe not my place to criticize a black person's black self-awareness but I'm not sure it's really accurate or fully taking responsibility to say he didn't value the victims stories because they were black women.

First of all, there's so many cases of other race girls and women being similarly abused that I'm not sure I'd find it siginificant to say that the victims of Dahvie Vanity or William Control, for example, were (just supposing, I'm not sure of their race) young white women, or that 6x9's victims were latina girls. And then there are the case of boys being similarly abused or trafficed, which happens though less frequently. While there were surely people near R. Kelly who used race as a way to defend him, I think what made the biggest difference in people tolerating and sometimes actively facilitating R Kelly's abuse of mid-adolescent girls/women wasnt that they were black but that he was successful in his work and had a team of people helping him do what he wanted to do.

And, obviously, R. Kelly still has a team and others in the industry that are keeping his "lifestyle" and career going.

I heard the offensive word "pimp" used a few times in the documentary, and I can see how he at times played to that stereotype, but again though I am so distant from that scene I don't think it's an appropriate word to use. Surely there are "pimps" who abuse and traffic mid-adolescent girls but I don't think that there are full-time pimps (assuming they have no special business talent on the side they are using to get into the music or entertainment business) abusing or trafficing stars like Aaliyah or publically associating with most of the other stars like R. Kelly did. I know the last episode in the documentary was titled "Black Girls Matter" and I surely am fine with them ending the documentary series on that note, but if they're trying to further say "Black girls have mattered less than White or Latina or whatever race girls in a similar situation of abuse and sex trafficing" I may have wasted my time in watching this six-part miniseries, and I don't think I did waste my time.

Bottom line, on multiple levels I believe it makes it easier to absolve oneself of blame if one can get away with saying "I didn't speak up because they were black girls" instead of "My silence was bought by what I made off of associating with R. Kelly and his industry cronies, by contracts and civil settlements and nondisclosure agreements, and I feared losing that if I spoke up. "

I think it might even make it easier to, for example, set up some sort of industry charity or trust fund for victims from people who feel guilty about having profited off of R. Kelly instead of focusing on prosecution and exclusion of artists like R. Kelly from further promotion of his work. Lots easier to cut checks than change an how the business works.

It would make no more sense for people who cut deals with Harvey Weinstein and were silent despite whispers and more that he was abusing women to say "but they were Hollywood liberals and people do that there" or that "he's a Democrat and you know about the Clintons". No, if you were making deals involving Weinstein or profiting from your travels in his circles and were silent despite knowlege of his abuse it was not so much because you cared less about Hollywood liberal Democrats or thought they tolerated this kind of abuse more, you were more likely motivated by fear of losing out on deals you could more easily make if you just kept silent.

 

This whole thing made me sick.

 

I still can't wrap my head around Lady Gaga working with R.Kelly, in 2013 no less. I haven't seen the documentary, but none of this is anything really new. The thing about the song is that it was titled "Do What U Want" and it felt so taunting. Again, she also worked with Terry Richardson on the single's artwork and video. She is a vile, fake, and stupid person.

 

Can’t wait for the Polanski and Woody Lifetime docs to come out so we can finally cancel 85% of hollywood for working with these old dirty fucks

 

I doubt they will put out much more work since they're so old, but yeah.

 

ah I remember when I said something about Justin Timberlake for working with Woody Allen recently and half the man of the woods thread was like “uhh but..but..but...”

 

Amity Affliction’s Joel Birch calls out Trump fan onstage, cops huge backlash

Band is pretty terrible but this is good shit

 

fuuuuuuuck this guy

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I have an urge to buy one of their albums now

 

Honestly Jarrod Alonge's response to the AA thing is amazing

 

insert clickhole "Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point" article here

 

I don't have a doubt in my mind that she knew exactly what she was doing and was trying to be edgy and controversial and ended up miscalculating the response.

 

The entitlement of trump supporters is fucking wild. Apparently the full story is that this trump supporter started yelling at these people at the show for some merch they were wearing and the singer of this band called him out. Even if he wasn't being disruptive, I think it's important to make sure trump supporters don't feel comfortable openly supporting trump and it's cool that a really big band is creating a space where that shit isn't tolerated. Guys IG comments are a mess and a half.

 

They wear MAGA/Trump merch to piss people off, and then get pissed off themselves when others wear anti-MAGA/Trump merch in front of them. Fragile and pathetic, like petulant children, they're the real "snowflakes" here by far.

EDIT: And this wasn't even explicitly anti-MAGA/Trump merch either. The persecution complex is real.

 

Sounds like someone wanted a safe space and was denied

 

Stephen, is there somewhere that you read this or heard it online from a media or band source or from someone who was there? I'm asking because the only reference I can find to the Trump supporter interacting with anyone else there besides @JoelDTD is where a member of Silent Planet said he made some remarks about their "Heal Us" shirts and (bottom of this post) a unsourced post and remark by @Degan_Palmer, the guy who wore the Trump shirt:

https://www.altpress.com/news/amity-affliction-joel-birch-trump-shirt
Alt Press: "After Birch’s stage speech, Silent Planet shared their experience with the Trump supporter. According to a tweet, the same fan yelled at them over their “heal us” shirts."

Not sure if he was "screaming in anger" about the "Heal Us" shirts before or after Joel's remarks onstage. That tweet says he saw the shirts but it doesnt say they were worn by the band or at their merch table or where. It appears to be connected with one or the other and not with random fans wearing "Heal Us" shirts, and that might have been before @JoelDTD's remarks (Amity Affliction and Senses Fail were co-headlining and the lineup from the Brooklyn Bowl's website makes it sound like Silent Planet may have opened The Amity Affliction & Senses Fail - Tickets - Brooklyn Bowl Las Vegas - Las Vegas, NV - January 5th, 2019 ) so if the remarks were made against Silent Planet members wearing the shirts onstage I suppose it would have been before @Joel DTD's remarks.

I'm asking to try to get a better handle on what happened at the show when. The only reference I can find to anyone saying he was making remarks to others about their clothes before @JoelDTD's remarks is this one from the guy wearing the Trump shirt and a random account tweeting that he was harassing other people before @JoelDTD's remarks:

...and there doesnt seem to be anyone else clearly saying he made comments to anyone else before @JoelDTD's remarks.

@Degan_Palmer was obviously being disruptive, it seems clear to infer he had planned to troll the show, I'm just wondering what record(s) there are of who said what to him before @JoelDTD's remarks, and where the story is coming from.

 

That idiot isn't even the one Garrett was talking about.

Also, why are you expending all this effort to exonerate a 16-year-old MAGA chud?

 

I feel like Garrett just wanted to make sure people didn't think he was lying, since that kid was like "that never happened" when he was actually a completely different person than Garrett was referring to.