Pinegrove - Skylight (September 28, 2018) Album • Page 100

Eh, that poster knows what they're doing. This isn't some miscommunication where someone is naive and jumping in to discuss a band they like without context. When a person bumps this thread with something positive about the band, especially if the last posts on the page are something critical or a serious discussion, they know what they are doing. Renaming the thread won't stop that from happening.

 

If we do this one can we do like State Champs and The Story So Far and other burgeoning threads that have problematic shit about them?

 

I agree, but it will at least eliminate the argument of "The topic says [Album] so I'm gonna talk about [Album]." No more hiding behind that straw man.

 

I think something like "Pinegrove - Abuse Allegations" seems to be the consensus.

 

"Pinegrove Abuse Allegations Discussion" or just "Pinegrove Allegations Discussion" would be my suggestion.

 

I'll keep tabs on when the title change is made so I can create the new thread to actually discuss the albums.

 

Can we maybe hold off on changing thread titles/making new threads etc? Jason’s been hard at work for a long time to figure out a solution for this and other threads and it will probably roll out sooner rather than later. Seems more beneficial to watch how the new system works than it will be to create extra conflict and a second thread for a band that most people here don’t think should even have one in the first place

 

Yeah, I let Jason and the rest of the mods know. I'm not going to just do that without having a pow wow to work out how we handle things going forward.

 

Lol you tell em

 

why is theo walcott in here defending this band. shouldn't you be on the training pitch at finch farm. you sucked ass against leicester the other day buddy

 

Personally I don't love the idea of a shadow-website of blocked threads where people are gushing over Pinegrove or BN or any other band with abusers in them. Doesn't really solve the culture problem, just kind of covers it up.

 

From my understanding the blocking feature will be more for people who don't want to see the threads due to it being triggering or upsetting for them. I'm sure people will still be in the threads combating people who are trying to give abusers a pass (which is good)

 

Right, exactly, that's the purpose behind it and it's a good one. In practice, though, it'll just be used as another stan talking point. Like I said above, right now the argument is "Well, the thread title says [Album] so I'm going to discuss [Album]", but when that (again, inherently good) feature goes live, the argument will be "Well, if you don't like us talking about the music just block the thread." And basically then you have a sort of shadow-Chorus of blocked threads where some really gross talk will be going down. The purpose of the feature will be hijacked by those who want a safe space to publicly support people like Pinegrove and BN.

 

I'm not in here enough, but if it's already been talked about please explain it to me. Why can't people just be involved in conversations they want to be in? Like if someone wants to post about a song they like on Skylight, why not just let only people who care enough to quote and talk about it just do as so? If someone wants to talk about the album, let them talk about it, doesn't mean everyone has to be involved. If someone wants to talk about the allegations, let them. No need to @ people about it saying how much you like the album. We are mature enough to do that, aren't we?

EDIT: I understand the bias of me saying I'm not in here a ton, so I definitely do not get the annoyances of dealing with internet posters as a whole. I'm genuinely interested in learning with this post.

 

We tried. It didn't work.

 

Pinegrove/BN stans will always find something shitty to say tbh.

I get the concern about the shadow threads and everything but I think it'll be pretty small issue/not as important as it will be for people who don't want to see these threads due to trauma, etc.

 

So people just can't chime in? I imagine the Pinegrove praise is very low compared to the other, maybe 80/20? Seems like a relatively small amount to ignore?

 

This all started because someone didn't like a comment someone else made about the allegations. Like I said yesterday, it seems to always be the people who think "both conversations can happen at once" that get the most angry when the other conversation is brought up.

 

stop pretending that not being able to post about this band on chorus.fm is some form of persecution lmao

 

It started this time when Teebs posted something about the recent shows and got a sarcastic comment immediately after his insulting fans that still listen.

 

I really don't care either way, but it just seems like it's fairly possible to just not engage in conversations you don't want to be in? Especially if the ratio is so large? I get that the smaller crowd, in praise of the band/album tend to have more annoying posting habits, but it just feels like it's a revolving cycle, the snake keeps eating itself.

 

"Let people post about what they want to post about" what if what I want to post about is how people are wrong to post about how great and cool this band is

 

Then post it?

 

please show me where he insulted anybody in this post. i'll wait.

 

I don't recall @OhTheWater ever saying both conversations can happen at once, but I could be wrong. I certainly never said any such thing. No deal about both conversations happening at once was ever agreed to by anyone except the ones who still want to talk about the music like nothing happened. And yet those are the same people who get the most angry when people bring up the allegations. So what it actually sounds like is that a group of people want a safe space where they don't have to hear about what's going on with the members of the band.

No.