General Politics Discussion [ARCHIVED] • Page 115

Obviously the gun is not to blame, but come one man.

Did you guys see the little press conference the gun shop owner held yesterday? It was interesting to hear the guy basically say "hey, this dude passed the Florida required background checks and had all proper valid identification to legally purchase firearms from my store."

There were still some reporters trying to find a fault in what he was saying, but if you're following all of the laws, it isn't the gun shop owner's fault.

The bigger question is how did this guy pass a background check, which ties into an FBI database, when he was flagged by the damn FBI prior to this?

 

My mistake, he did. But, not before a self-congratulatory series of tweets. Like always, he made it about him.

 

And it was bigger than Trump:
On Sky News last night, I realised how far some will go to ignore homophobia | Owen Jones

 

Found this interesting.

Mexico Says They Will Close Their Border if Trump is Elected

 

Probably as likely to happen as us rounding up all of the illegal immigrants and deporting them

 

Mexico would never shut off that tourist $$$

 

Hard to tell if he's mocking Trump or if he's being genuine. Pretty funny though.

 

i read the title of the article as a couple about to break up and once the guy realizes what's coming says, "no, i'm breaking up with YOU!" before the girl can break up with him so he feels better about what's happening.

 

Orlando Shooter Proclaimed Allegiance to Rival Terrorist Organizations

 

California Baptist pastor praises Orlando massacre

Seriously - what the fuck is wrong with people

 

Ideology, not religion (radical intolerance, not Islam)

 

Umm, that's a bit much.

He's someone I'd refer to as a "radical Christian".

 

somehow, maybe even scarier the Pastor said this:

"I wish the government would round them all up, put them up against a firing wall, put the firing squad in front of them and blow their brains out."

and then

"You don't mourn the death of them. They deserve what they got. You reap what you sow. But we don't advocate it either. We're not calling people to arms — and if somebody goes out and says I'm going to go kill sodomites — you don't listen to those people. That's not what we're saying."

Uh, yeah you just fucking did.

 

A scarier undertone to this is that it seems as if he thinks the government doesn't qualify as "people". Unless he really is that dumb to contradict himself like that.

 

Right so you say that the Orlando shooter is much more of a Dylan Roof type yet when he is labeled a Jihadist/Islamic Terrorist/ISIS-sympathizer...that focus is all lost. The label in this case does nothing but to derail from the main issues. It turns the focus onto Muslims and directly leads to Islamophobia...when the focus should be on how a mentally unstable, violent man acquired guns. The rapidity with which we shift our focus based on that label does nothing to solve this issue long term, it only serves to disenfranchise a billion people around the world.

Since you mention that Zionism can have an equally violent connotation, why isn't that phraseology used? The labels are not being applied equally, they are done for political purposes completely outside of all the relatively valid points you brought up. If we don't use such terminology equally, then it needs to stop being applied.

 

If you want to focus on minute details like "it's not fair to lump everyone together", then you're not ready for this discussion. When a western government endorses blind violence on Muslims, then we're being forced to unify under one label. When a politician says all Muslims need to be banned from the US, then we're being forced. Don't think for a second that over the past 40-50 years, Westerners distinguish between "Good Muslims" and "Bad Muslims"...and don't think that that will start any time soon.

 

Yeah. I can certainly agree how this case exemplifies how not rushing to label it as something like a Jihadist/Islamic Terrorist is important because like you said, it makes it easy to lose focus from the primary issues and at least at this point, it looks like the motive was like the other cases of domestic terrorism we've seen.

I just feel like people should use terminology like Zionism, White Supremacy, Neo-Nazi... where appropriate, not cease using terms like Radical Jihadist

 

Just a matter of time before shit like this starting rolling out. Guess what, fundamentalists of any type are the worst people on earth!

 

You sir, are right - "I am not ready for this discussion", my bad - I don't know what I was thinking engaging with somebody that so intellectually superior to the likes of myself

 

Have the NRA gotten to Orlando yet?

 

They've shut off many tourist destination through their government's collusion with the cartels. Acapulco being the most recent.

 

They closed that off now?

 

It's not about intellect, it's about willingness to look at the other perspective. You're minimizing and ignoring major issues by saying "not all people!". As Dom alluded to, you're trying to avoid the heart of the discussion in the same way whites did surrounding the race riot in Ferguson.

Start from here, and don't feel compelled to give an answer, but do you accept the premise that Western nations have, in general, benefited from imperializing, dominating, and killing Muslims around the world, primarily in the Middle East.

 

No, but murders and shootouts are rampant and it's a shell of its former self.

 

I've been to Mexico twice in the past month and a half or so, about an hour south of Tijuana, and there is no hint of anything bad going on down there. I know the problem areas are near the Texas border, but just saying that it's still cool in TJ and south of there on the coastal areas.