Worst Mass Shooting in U.S. History in Orlando • Page 5

This was well said.

 

You're clearly trolling at this point.

Morality and execution are a strange thing. I was approached by multiple people in different countries asking what we do with our 'boys'. It was scary to think about some of the things elders do in some of these villages. It wasn't something that I've heard only happens in one country or region.

 

It's funny how in a post about a mass shooting that is a hate crime/terrorist attack people in the forms will tell each other to fuck off and argue if they don't see eye to eye. Maybe we should start with ourselves having an open conversation and not belittling people's opinions. We don't have to agree on everything but we should have respect towards one another opinions. There's already so much hate in the world why sit here and bring it into a discussion like this. That's one reason Dems/Reps can't have an open conversation about any of this. Be better than them.

 

I am not trolling at all. It's just so sad that a 28 year old person could have such a poor, poor grasp of the world in which they live. You really, really, really must be that sheltered.

"There isn't a single country that uses Sharia as law."

Application of sharia law by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, again, wow. Wow. Wow.

Shame on you.

 

It's because it's an emotional argument on both ends of the spectrum. Those that are pro-gun get riled up in the historical aspect of where the right came from (founding fathers, bill of rights, war of independence etc) and those that are anti-gun have often been affected by or are just more sensitive to violence. Now that's not to say those that are pro-gun aren't sensitive to violence, but I am just trying to succinctly sum up where the emotion, passion and anger comes from. It's not easy to put all that aside and have a real conversation. If you believe with every fiber of your being that it's an infallible right that can be used responsibly or an unfathomable tool for violence and nothing else, then what middle ground is there to stand on together?

 

Aside from calling me a "dipshit" and telling me to "fuck off", What point were you trying to prove with this?

 

That isn't what I was saying at all. There isn't a country that has 100% adapted it as law. There are aspects of the law that are complimented within their own law, but it isn't as harsh as you make it sound.

And yes, what you are doing is trolling.

 

Exactly and this is exactly why nothing will ever get done in congress to address this.

 

This is accurate. If you actually go down the list of Muslim countries, they all implement Islam their own ways, sometimes this is even done regionally, within a country.

 

So to recap:

You: There isn't a single country that uses Sharia as law.
Me: Application of sharia law by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You: That isn't what I was saying at all.

I just counted 5 countries where "Sharia not only applies in full but to non-Muslims also."

I am not trolling. I am arguing your points using logic, reason and evidence. No need for name calling here.

 

I expanded on what I was saying. You easily could have posted that link without all of the garbage associated.

Your response to my first post basically called me an idiot. You are singling out a person who may not have read into it beforehand. If that isn't trolling, I don't know what it is. But hey man, you do you. Just don't complain about it when a mod starts giving you points for that shit. Consider this a warning.

 

Woah, woah, woah. Let's not forget: you engaged me.

So far in this thread, I was told to fuck off 3 times, called an idiot twice, a troll twice and a dipshit once. All this for presenting sound logic and quantitative evidence to an opinion that may be unpopular in this community. And yet here I am.. the one being "warned".

Facism at it's absolute finest.

 

I engaged you because your post was reported.

 

Reported for what?

 

Nothing will get done in congress because half of it is bought by the NRA to do nothing.

 

My thoughts on this (not particularly in order of importance):

1. Radical Islamic influence absolutely can't be ignored, and the threat of ISIS in America needs to be taken seriously.

2. No blanket statements should ever be made demoralizing the Muslim community as a whole, especially considering many Muslims in the Middle East have become victims of ISIS and other radical groups just as gays and Christians have been.

3. The LGBTQ community needs to be reached out to and comforted. This was absolutely a hate crime perpetuated by a hate-filled ideology and it's likely going to take the community a long time to recover--in addition to the fear of another attack.

4. We NEED more restrictions on guns. Background checks, stricter tests, etc. Anyone who is bent on owning a gun for protection will surely be willing to go through the means it takes to purchase one. But the fact that just anyone can buy a gun is ridiculous. My best bud bought one to kill himself with a couple years ago. He didn't end up being successful, but the fact that he was able to casually buy a gun in his mental condition was/is absolutely insane. You have to take a bunch of tests to obtain a driver's license to assure that you (probably) don't kill someone. You should have to work at least twice as hard to obtain a weapon that's purposed to kill.

5. Any well-meaning call to do away with ALL guns strikes me as incredibly dangerous because the law-abiding citizens who would actually use the right to protect and serve will give up their firearms while criminals will always continue regardless of the law (I'm thinking especially about the high gun violence/strict gun laws in D.C.). We need to not live in fear, but I'm also sick of reading accounts of mass shootings where a large group of people are helplessly gunned down. Like in Columbine, the worst massacre in the library took place 10 mins after the shooting actually started. So many opportunities to just put these people down but no one has any protection. Places like Pulse should designate someone responsible and qualified to keep a gun behind the counter so when something like this happens, there's at least the option of ending something like this before it gets worse. I hate that this has to be the case, and I would LOVE to just do away with guns, but I'm afraid our culture has gone too far for that to be an option at this point.

6. This is incredibly tragic, and we need to act in some form or fashion. But let's not get carried away with our emotions. We can't possibly FEEL enough toward something as terrible as this, but at the same time we need to keep our heads and not configure a solution based off a knee-jerk reaction (e.g. Republicans who want to do away with all Muslims and Democrats who want to do away with all guns). For all I've said in this post, I still don't know the answer or even if my stance is right. I do know we need to be having rational discussions without resorting to name-calling.

 

Why don't we have vigilantes? Murder is definitely wrong, but why don't we have crazy people seeking to take out the bad people? why keep going after the innocent? If you really, really must cause harm, there are some murderers and child rapists amongst us

 

I feel like this is such an important point to keep in mind. The sad fact is that guns are so prevalent here that, like many people have said, outright banning them would be very ineffective. If someone wants a gun for wrongdoing, there are so many floating around illegally that it would not be that hard to obtain one, and all that banning guns would do is ensure that no one who would legally obtain one for self defense would be able to stop or prevent things like these from happening. If someone good was armed at that nightclub, 50 innocent people would not have just died.

 

This part does not sound like a good idea to me. A gun in a dark club or venue where nobody can see anything? That sounds like it would exacerbate chaos and potentially kill innocent people. I heard that an armed security or someone at Pulse had a gun and it didn't do anything. Trained officers miss shots a lot, idk how that would work in an environment that is dark, hard to see, chaotic, people running around, etc not to mention if someone comes in and thinks the designated person is the shooter. Just seems to heighten the opportunity for violence and confusion.

 

I imagine you were flagged because someone was offended by words on a screen. Especially those of which they don't agree with.

God help these people when they enter the real world.

On a side note, this tragedy could be a turning point for Trump if he manages to stay even keel. Which is doubtful...But playing the fear mongering card can work in his favor come November

 

Definitely good points. And that's all absolutely possible. But at a time when fifty people are being gunned down (and more wounded), is the POTENTIAL of further confusion worth prioritizing over the hopelessness of not being able to do anything? I agree, a dark club would definitely be a tougher place to successfully stop a killer than a school in broad daylight, but at the same time if someone in there was trained (and known by other patrons) I'd imagine it would be a lot more beneficial than not having any options. By the time the authorities get there, ideally the killer would be dead and the patrons would identify him.

IDEALLY. This is all speaking hypothetically, of course, and no one situation would be the same. Taking down a gunman wouldn't be a walk in the park either way. Just not sure if it wouldn't be more beneficial to at least have options available.

 

Each time these attacks happen, Trump gets a boost.

He's also facing a Democratic Nominee that is currently under FBI investigation and probably the weakest DNC nominee over the last 30 years.
He's already won.

 

Bleh. I liken this election to the two most annoying kids in my neighborhood being given free reign over my yard.

 

Though Radical Islam can't be ignored, I find it really curious that when we talk about guns, yhrres a plethora of criticisms from people who aren't necessarily gun experts, while on the subject of Radical Islam, so many people are ready to say "look, People like Sharia Law so I, a non-Muslim demands that a religion go through a reformation (with no explanation on how it would happen), because Christianity did at one point, and I'm also gonna ignore he factors that led to that, or the fact that a Reformation isn't the end all to save a people and a region who's adult men have known nothing but American-led brutality of their land"

Funny.

 

Not at all. Turning these people into mere numbers for the purpose of political arguments, without taking even a second or minute to think about them, their lives, and the loss of them. This is a human tragedy.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to mourn peoples lives without wanting to think about the politics.