Accountability in Music • Page 176

It's just so disappointingly heartbreaking that he was cool with her being dragged through the mud while he was getting approval from Kendrick, like getting unsollicited sex is something to brag about between bros. Of course it could only make her lose trust in people and in the music industry afterwards, but the idiots from reddit will never get it.

 

he is the one who got sexually assaulted, he has the right to deal with it however he wants

 

i mean maybe it is shitty he didnt stick by kitty, but at the end of the day he's a victim of sexual assault, if he didnt handle the situation perfectly im not gonna say hes a bad person

 

Good point, I didn't think of it while making my posts.

edit: Wait I didn't insinuate that he was a bad person. I'm mostly angry at those who don't realize the gravity of the situation, of course he was a victim. I'm not shaming him, but the surrounding culture (hence the Kendrick comment) that sees sexual assault on men as a joke. I didn't phrase it well though.

 

nah danny brown isn't a bad person and he can do whatever he wants, but kitty was on the rise and then basically dropped off immediately after this and no one came to her defence, even though she defended him. but i'm not gonna say that his first responsibility in dealing with this is protecting other people, since it happened to him.

 

i just dont think passing that kind of judgement on a victim of sexual assault is cool

 

I don’t want to insult what Danny did and didn’t do, but the like the systematic bullshit that makes people think his assault was fine and not an assault, and also resulted in kitty getting more backlash and bullshit for defending him than any other part of the events is uhhh, fucked up at least

 

Is there anything reported / posted / published that Danny Brown wanted Kitty Pride (Kitty Ray? Not very familiar with the stage names here) ever wanted anyone at all to write something about the assault or expressed any comment about Kitty's article linked above? I'm not asking if he made any public comment about the incident, I'm asking if he made any comment about people who were writing critical things about the assualt and about fans who didnt consider it to be an assault.

I'm asking because one wants to have the support or at least give some notice to victims before offering public comment like this. Getting that support/permission/giving notice is another matter, she could have asked him directly for a quote or for express consent to write about the incident, and it's not clear if she did that. That seems obviously like something she'd want to have done, but it's also all but a moot point when the assault is as public as this was. As she says he has a fan base that might be said to be all but divided over whether or not the incident should even be considered an assault, and if so she probably felt an obligation to write about it even if he was torn between wanting the story to go away and wanting it to get some social media buzz, at least, to add to his appeal to a significant number of his female fans (maybe half, by Kitty's account).

 

I think in the reddit post she mentioned they talked about it before she wrote it, and that she wouldn't talk about him without his okay. I don't want to dig back through it now tho. It was during the middle of the tour so they spent a lot of time together afterwards.

 

If someone could find that or similar links I'd appreciate it. I am sure Kitty and Danny did talk about the article as she was writing it, she was present at the show when this happened and it made mainstream media news, and her giving her take on it as she was known to be a writer should have been expected. What maybe wasn't expected is that she was overtly critical not just about the incident but about what she says is about half of his fanbase.

I'd really like to know more about how he (or his industry peers) thought fans should have responded, at least in public comment online if it's true (or close to true) that half of his fanbase didn't think it was an assault, and actually thought it was acceptable, though transgressive/trashy/whatever perjorative they might have used to describe it.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphophead...de_on_what_writing_about_danny_browns/e7ynjt9

Here's one comment, original question was deleted, you can go through her other posts in that thread if you want some more context

 

Thanks! I think this is the root thread the comments are linked up to: Kitty Pryde on what writing about Danny Brown's sexual assault did to her career : hiphopheads

Looks like Danny wanted her to write the article or at least gave some encouragement, which makes sense as she was trying to stand up for him. After the article was poorly received it sounds like he tried to distance himself from it, and maybe from her as well. There's many reasons likely involved why they drifted apart, of course, but it sounds like this incident and the article were a significant factor.

I can see how he'd not want to dwell on the assault but it's interesting how little support she got from anyone on taking the stand she did that it was an assault. This is more than just the dynamic that followes from the victim being a guy and the assailant being a woman, it's what I'd expect if the fan base is as strong as she says it was in how supportive they were in what the assailant did. That's a bigger issue than the assault itself, I think.

I also thought it was interesting that in another Vice / Noisy article from less than two weeks before the Danny Brown article "The Internet Is Scary"she makes some references to how her fanbase at the time was posting to each other and sending her bizarre violent sexualized rap lyrics, and then in My Thoughts On This Whole Danny Brown Oral Sex Thing she refers to how half of Danny Brown's fanbase are "gropers" who watch a lot of MTV.

I know she's not saying that most MTV fans (or hip-hop fans) were like this, but she seems to be implying there's a relationship between them being superficial consumers of MTV if not hip-hop culture and their perspectives on sexual assault. If so, no wonder she had a falling out with fans and maybe music industry types as well after these articles, she's not just calling out the sexual assault on Danny Brown as a sexual assault, she's calling out a very large proportion of their fanbase -- their market, and the people who market to them -- as well. Maybe she was talking about a subset of MTV's audience that mostly watches rap videos/stars/talking heads, but she seems to be talking about something broader than that.

I thought I noticed something maybe related to that recently during the Kavenaugh hearings -- I noticed, it seems, that MTV did a lot less reporting than I had expected. MTV news reports a lot on the antics of the Trump administration, but I found very few stories related to the Kavenaugh nomination, in particular the allegations of sexual assault and related misconduct.

The few MTV News stories I found read like this one: Mandy Moore, Lili Reinhart, More Celebs Praise Christine Blasey Ford After Senate Hearing -- including quotes from Chris Evans, Ashley Tisdale, and Lena Dunham, and many others -- but almost no voices of typical young people or people of color, who were far more likely to have been quoted in stories elsewhere during the Kavenaugh nomination hearings in mainstream and activist feminist media online.

Like other MTV News stories I've read, the people quoted in this and similar Kavenaugh stories as experts or at least "influencers" look and (more important) sound nothing like the demographic that MTV News is usually trying to reach, which I think you can see on their Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mtvnews I have to say I'm glad they didn't just regram a bunch of "I Believe Christine Ford" or "Trust Women" memes but they didn't mention the story at all on Instagram and the MTV News Twitter only links to the story above and to a mention about a week later that Kavanaugh had been confirmed. Maybe there isn't anything to what I think I'm seeing but it looks like MTV simply didn't try to reach their audience during the Kavenaugh hearings with the kind of intersectionally-inspired coverage they'd like to say is part of their brand.

 

honestly just gonna throw this out there, the way people talked and have been talking about Danny brown, a victim of sexual assault, is fucking disgusting. All these super woke folks have no idea what to do when the victim is a man

 

It seems to be the age old problem of people vomiting what ever comes in to thier head out to the public without thinking of how it effects people or if it's ideologically consitant with the values they claim to hold.

 

Jake from August Burns Red posted a picture of him hanging with Tim Lambesis and those comments made me want to vomit. Idk how people can so easily forgive someone WHEN THEY LEGIT TRIED TO GET THEIR WIFE MURDERED AND SAYING SHITTY THINGS ABOUT HER IN THE PROCESS. Oh it’s because he dropped the “God’s forgiveness” card and it’s like nothing ever happened. If the hit went through then he’d be serving for at least 20years, but since we was a shitty criminal he gets to write that off? Idk. Seeing that really pissed me off.

 

He posted a photo with Garrett from Silent Planet too, which bothers me a lot because of how Garrett portrays himself.

 

Bro dudes gonna bro dude :/

 

tell me again how allegations ruin careers

 

I get this vibe that Tim is trying to be like "See? Everything is cool I swear!" with posts and pictures like that. But I feel like the only way that I personally (and I'm sure many others) would feel better about AILD being a band again is if we either heard from his wife or it was addressed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall ever seeing anything about how she's doing. She's the biggest victim, everyone else is secondary to that in my eyes.

My ex-band's frontman is constantly trying to do a similar thing with me ("does your new band wanna play with us?" "let's talk on your podcast" "wanna cameo in our music video?" etc). Instead of sitting down and actually talking with me about kicking me out (via text message) and addressing the real issue (which is still a mystery to me but I'm sure it's because I stopped kissing his ass and condoning his emotionally abusive behavior towards the band), he just tries to portray himself in a certain light so he doesn't look shitty in our scene. But I've said no to all those things because I don't want to help him be able to say "See? Everything is cool I swear!"

Sorry for the vent but I'm just seeing parallels in behavior and I'm sure there's some sort of psychiatry stuff explaining this that I know nothing about.

 

And not to mention the weird video they released talking and crying about their feelings of betrayal and how they set it all aside.

Honestly, shut the fuck up. They never once mentioned her or where she’s at. It was selfish and egotitistical.

Plenty of bands have canned their singer and went on to have successful careers, especially in that scene. No excuses for any of it. Fuck them and anyone that bros around with them.

 

I get people can change and time heals and all that jazz. My issue with it is that Tim is only able to have the opportunity to change because he failed at what he did.

If he had been successful, he'd be put away for life. The attempt was still there no matter if it didn't go as planned.

That will never sit right with me.

EDIT: I'm not sure if that makes sense or if I conveyed my thoughts correctly?

 

I'm not a fan of Tim or the situation at all but correct me if I'm wrong I think I heard she (his ex wife) didn't want to be talked about/talk about this?

 

its also the fact this shit happened in 2013. thats extremely recent. he barely served any time at all. which, whatever, i have other thoughts about the purposes and effectiveness of incarceration anyway. but the haste with which he has jumped right back into the industry and the way he's been welcomed back with open arms is alarming to say the least. it really sets such an awful precedent. true resolution and rehabilitation, ESPECIALLY for what he did, takes time. it takes way more than a few years for someone who tried to have their wife killed to prove they have changed and are no longer a danger to anyone. imo that could take decades to truly see someone change from that.

 

and unfortunately he uses the guise of "I was on steroids and they changed my mind. And now I'm not on steroids anymore" and for the most part, he buddies ate it up.

 

and tbh dude still looks like hes on steroids. but nonetheless there's roid rage and then there's calling a fucking hit out on your wife.