Pinegrove - Skylight (September 28, 2018) Album • Page 65

I seen this last night. Again, it doesn’t say much but I respect Tanner a lot.

 

I'm not referring only to you. I'm referring to the language multiple people are using that I've seen basically word for word be used to dismiss and question victims. Just something to be aware of, I think.

 

directly? no. do i still have reason to doubt their character and have the right to take everything they say wrt this with the tiniest grain of salt? yes. but no one wants to trust me. theyd rather just tell me im tone policing and using language to dismiss victims.

 

i mean, that person who asked what he did definitely got it wrong. we all know thats not all he did and sexual coercion is much more complicated than that.

 

josh, jake, and other people in the scene arent victims though?

 

If I knew they had direct connection with the victim and were speaking on behalf on them I'd agree with you, but do they?

 

I just think they could give us a little more, even without revealing actual details. What specifically do we all have wrong? Do we misunderstand the initial allegations? Are there other victims? Is Evan not actually sorry about any of it? Is the victim being misrepresented? None of those things would require great detail to shed a little more light.

 

This is a really weird and confusing situation, those involved in "the scene" giving those vague takes is only adding to the confusion.

Like we should continue to outcast the band, on nothing more than their vague word? I'm not sure I'll go forward and listen to this, but if I'm being honest those vague insinuations come across as disingenuous.

 

i never got a response to this so they wont even tell us what the victims wishes actually are? how are we expected to make sense of any of this? how are any of you surprised we're confused and not taking their word at face value?

 

holy shit Rings is incredible, straight chills at that part at 3:05

all I had time for but I now can not wait to get home

 

Really enjoyed the album. Not sure what to make of all of this

 

Easy Enough, Darkness, Skylight is a heck of a three song run.

 

I don't have any idea how to handle the vague posts by members of the "scene". I've gathered as much information as I can, and until something else comes out, I'm going to enjoy the music and talk to y'all about it.

 

This thread is really just grossing me out in terms of the language being used. I get we're all coming from the same space but like, I see this same reasoning when people defend so many shitty, abusive people.

 

its pretty shitty to equate my hesitance to trust these people to defending shitty abusive people. very shitty actually.

 

Questioning the legitimacy of people like Josh and Jake who are, again, pretty much just stirring the pot with no substance to their words, is wayyyyy different than questioning the legitimacy of a survivor of abuse.

 

You can be hesitant, I'm hesitant. I'm not saying that anyone needs to do anything regarding the vague Twitter posts. I still have the album on my iTunes. I'm just saying that a lot of people in here are completely negating information based off of lack of details, which seems to happen a lot in cases of abuse. It's been made pretty explicit that the victim didn't want this situation to blow up to the extent that it did. Therefore it'd make sense for people to be pretty hesitant to speak more on it. Does that mean that people who know more information, potentially relating to more abuse from Evan or to the situation not being as neat and wrapped up as the article made it, shouldn't speak out? Idk. I also don't know what issue you have with Jake and this other dude. I trust that they could be shitty people, and I know that their tone is very harmful in terms of actually educating people and changing their minds. In the same token, if they are alleged abusers or harmful people, that doesn't negate them knowing more information regarding the situation. Most of the anger is coming from people close to the Philly scene saying that the victim's wishes aren't being met. Harmony Woods said it earlier in this thread back in March. Things may have changed.

With that being said, I'm just kind've uncomfortable with a bunch of people in here throwing those statements away based on tone or being too vague. Could it be a misunderstanding? Absolutely. I think back to the Louis CK shit and people who I trusted defending him and the situation never being explicit and questioning what to do and then it all blew up into what it became. I think it'd be far worse if we all ignore these statements b/c they're vague only to find out down the road that some even worse, horrible shit happened.

I don't know what the "action" is. I don't know if that means we shouldn't listen to the album or support the band or whatever. I'm not looking down at anyone who is. I'm just saying that our reasoning in here as to why we shouldn't trust the Twitter guys should be re-evaluated

 

i am completely open to the possibility something worse happened. people in the scene not being comfortable with this has absolutely made me step back and reflect. ive yet to even listen to the album and probably wont until this is all settled and tensions arent so high. but yeah when josh goes off the way he did im gonna get mad. because hes not the only one telling people who listen to pinegrove they're trash. we can have these conversations without resorting to that bullshit. i also dont trust josh at all. im well within my right not to. other people saying stuff, well, havent really said anything at all from what ive seen.

 

You’re also well within you’re right not to trust Jake, but I will say that even if he did whatever you heard, I would still trust him on this

 

has jake said anything else besides his post about the ego train? because that doesnt really offer anything for me to trust.

 

I don’t really know what more you want from him, I feel like it stares pretty clearly “I don’t like it trust that this is happening”

 

yeah I didn’t see him say anything else aside from the ego comment (and I guess in his particular situation knowing how close he is to this, he technically doesn’t have to say anything else)

It’s just very confusing.

 

its just a weirdly vague statement that doesnt really offer me any insight into whats upsetting and why i should be skeptical. i was just wondering if anything more concrete was said.

 

This is spot on. I know the vague tweets are frustrating but I can’t just toss them aside for lack of specifics. They could possibly know other victims and are not speaking out against their wishes. Or maybe not. But I feel like proceeding with caution is the best thing for me, personally, to do.

also can’t help but feel cynical and get past the thought of where there’s smoke there’s fire

 

I can respect that. No, that was all he said