Pinegrove - Skylight (September 28, 2018) Album • Page 54

No i just think the actual wishes of the victim hold more weight in my mind then a bunch of bands I’ve never heard of. And a woman who’s close to the situation, i hold her words more highly than i do random bands on Twitter.

I had never heard this band till today, I’m not dying to hop on any bandwagon. But i think people deserve a chance at reconciliation when they have respected the victims wishes.

Plus many of the Twitter takes have been diminishing the work of a female writer seemingly because they disagree and i think that is messed up.

 

I'd actually say we've been having some pretty good conversations today and for the most part everyone's remained pretty respectful and we've all been thinking a whole lot.

 

I mean I’m conflicted. The victim’s wishes seem to have been met and, imo, reflection and rehabilitation seem to have been taken. On the other hand, so many people closer to the situation than i am are saying pretty telling things

 

yeah im out

 

Yeah this just isn’t what is happening. Comments like this make it so difficult to have meaningful, productive conversations around these issues.

 

I'm sorry but I don't particularly value Nandi or Jenn's takes here more because they're women. They're both have a bias towards evan like... k

 

while I agree with most of the above comments pertaining to the quality of discussion being had on here, this ain't it chief

 

Reread this post three or four times and you'll maybe see the fine line you're toeing here

 

Idk that’s a weird territory to get into. There are no testimonies or extra allegations on twitter, but seeing such a strong negative response from bands that work with the band just leaves a bad taste in my mouth

 

Anyway I'll leave you all to stew in your absolute quality takes. We'll reckon down the line

 

oh come the fuck on

 

teebs, this ain’t it

 

I just deleted a post because it was antagonistic and unproductive, things I just called out, but fuck does it frustrate me to see meanginful conversation dismissed like that.

 

Just because someone is “prominent in the scene” doesn’t mean their opinions or feelings are any more valid

 

Sorry to be lazy but could u or someone link me to what you mean by this

 

This is fair

 

But you also don’t seem to value the victims take either.... which if you read the article you’d know that they have adhered to her wishes. Her takes are way more important than random bands on Twitter.

Also to just brush aside Nandi because of “bias” is kind of troubling. She is a victim of sexual assault as well so her takes are just as valuable, if not more so, than anyone’s honestly.

 

It’s fine and actually good to listen to what people on Twitter or elsewhere are saying, but at the end of the day it still needs to be a personal decision.

 

I’ll admit it was dismissive and probably not appropriate for me to say i don’t care what people on Twitter say. But for me until more information comes out then I’m going to go off of what i know has been shared from the victim via the mediator. The band stepped away, Guy seemed to have gone to therapy and seems to take this all very seriously. I just don’t want to be dismissive of the victims wishes if she thinks what Evan has done is good for her

 

Yea I see it now. The cold hard evidence part was over exaggerated and dumb. I just meant give me some idea what you are referring to, when Josh Coll posts “I know something you don’t know” it just adds more confusion.


Hope this adds some clarity to what I meant

 

I see where you're coming from, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I walked away from this article with a lot of questions surrounding all of those things we just listed (reckoning...reconciliation...relationships). seeing folks in this thread call the author out straight away just doesn't seem like a productive way to advance this conversation right now

 

I just searched "Pinegrove" and scrolled, youll find everything pretty quickly. Nothing very specific, just calling the article harmful and questioning the motive of the author and saying that Evan is still a shitty person etc.

 

it's really unfortunate that nandi has been dragged into this. nandi is minding her own goddamn business and seems to be reconciling with all of this privately. i'd rather not pick apart her statement and i sincerely hope she didn't feel pressured into making one. i understand why folks feel the need to hear from her, and i am glad we heard from her, but she doesn't owe us anything

 

I'm kinda rambling here so feel free to ignore, but:

I feel like a lot of people are coming from the same side but are just conflicted with how to handle the information. I, like many others, was a huge Pinegrove fan and was devastated when the entire situation came out. I was upset and angry and genuinely confused by how the information was addressed and delivered. First and foremost, I cared about the victim. When the article was posted today, I initially breathed a sigh of relief. It appeared, to me at least, that the situation with Evan was handled in a way that the initial victim felt comfortable with; however, the entire Punk Talks and public address debacle was against their wishes. From my reading, Evan appeared to be working with the victim and a moderator in a way that was positive and indicative of growth. The band was removed from the public eye while the situation was handled. The super weird, wordy apology post was both Evan not understanding the point of an apology (absolutely his fault and something I still am annoyed by) and being confused about how to handle allegations put forth by Allen and PT. There's no way that you can remove blame from Evan, what he did was abuse and he needs to face the consequences for it. At the same time, though, it seemed to me that the actual situation was handled to an appropriate degree. I side-eyed the album release aspect of the article, definitely, but I didn't necessarily think that took away from the overall meaning. I'm still a bit conflicted over the relationship between the author and Evan but, at this point, feel that the piece is pretty honest and fair.

When I saw the negative reaction by people on the site, and then the even more intense negative response on Twitter, my immediate reaction was to become frustrated and roll my eyes and question what more could be done in the sense of restorative justice. A lot of the tweets seemed like people who didn't like Pinegrove from the beginning just insulting the band for being overrated. The weird Slaughter Tweet posted in here just kinda reeked of a personal, unrelated beef.

At the same time, I felt embarrassment and guilt that I was so quick to forgive. Spending more time thinking about the people who are pushing back and the people who are saying things on Twitter, it can't really be ignored or pushed away. The majority of vocal voices in this thread speaking out against the article are constantly addressing problems within the scene and issues with accountability. Unless there is a complete misunderstanding, there are people in here speaking about entirely different cases of abuse involving Evan that aren't touched upon in the article or that haven't been brought up publicly at all. I don't know what to make of that information, but prior knowledge about situations like this causes me to realize that it can't just be pushed aside as rumors until someone speaks out.

It doesn't matter if I'll listen to the record. If I do, I don't really feel comfortable discussing it on the site. If you do, I also don't find that to be wrong or offensive or problematic. In terms of public knowledge, specifically from people close to both Evan and the victim, the situation seems to have been handled behind the scenes.

 

and the people who have come to a different conclusion arent?