Pinegrove - Skylight (September 28, 2018) Album • Page 52

Im still hopeful lol and excited for the record. I don't feel ashamed to say that either.

 

Looking at my old posts...
*narrator voice* they did

 

Wait for Love and Keep you are both really close for me.. I think keep you may end up having more staying power in the end.

 

Front to back I like WFL more, Keep You has April and Repine though, which might be two of my favorite songs ever.

 

I still think foxing will be my AOTY, not sure if anyone could top that.

 

Ill be curious to see if this was correct.

 

In some ways, I think a major source of the weird vibes I get from the article has to do with its focus on Evan. I know that sounds dumb since clearly it needs to be focused on him in some ways, considering the allegations were made against him and nobody else in the band, but, everything from the photo accompanying the article to the descriptions of his appearance and his "calmed" demeanor and the books he's been reading... it feels like a profile piece on him as an artist more than it feels like an examination of what has happened to the band over the past year and the specific decisions they've made about moving forward and how their peers in the scene feel about it all.

Basically, I feel like it's way more insular than it maybe could've been. I don't think the writer did a bad job by any means, I just think it's tonally a bit odd, and maybe Evan is still speaking too much, even in this piece. I also feel like, if this was truly meant to open up conversation about accountability and restorative justice, the album should not be coming out so soon. The people concerned about accountability will keep their focus on accountability, but the fans of the band who may have been on the fence about whether or not the band should've disappeared like they did are not going to take any time whatsoever to digest some of the questions posed/implied in this piece, they're just going to focus on the album and celebrate the return of the band. Even if they had just waited a month, and said something in this article like, "Pinegrove will make an announcement about the release of their shelved album within the next month," I think it would've made the space for some deeper and harder thinking by a portion of their fanbase, which is exactly what Evan says he supposedly wants to happen.

 

Listened to Cardinal for the first time in a long time today. It doesn't feel the same. I don't know how I feel yet about the accountability taken or not taken via this article, but this band is forever tainted.

 

This is a really good point and one of my main concerns with this whole situation

 

kind of done with people championing restorative justice and rehabilitation and then citing what at face value seem to be genuine attempts to be better as PR stunts

Staying out of this thread from here on out

 

Darkness is an incredible song

 

Yeah next Friday

 

That def wasn’t the only point of that. He was saying that our time on earth is short and he used that as motivation to turn his life around.

 

Twitter takes on this definitely made me feel like I’m missing something huge. Idk. Everything is bad

 

really don’t care about what books he’s reading still

 

I don’t trust twitter.. at all

 

Isn’t a big part of rehabilitation educating yourself??

 

Really don’t care what people on Twitter are saying

 

This is the right attitude

 

Has any band come out supporting them since this article or? I’ve only seen the opposite

 

I mean I kind of care when the "people" are well known bands who are involved in the scene - their perspective certainly influences my own.

 

Lol I mean considering a lot of the voices were women and victims of abuse within the same scene/with similar connections to Evan, idk why I’d choose to ignore it

 

Cross posting from twitter. I don’t know if I can get any more clear, it’s been a weird day and this has been a really difficult thing to think about.

 

First I just want to say that my heart goes out to the anonymous victim, whose life seems to have been made pretty shitty first by Evan's actions and then by Allen's refusal to cease involvement in the situation even after the victim specifically asked Allen to cease involvement. That just sucks on so many levels.

Next, if you think the Pitchfork article is nothing more than a PR puff piece then it really makes me wonder whether you read the whole thing. Jenn Pelly is a really fantastic writer, and I think it's pretty shitty to dismiss Jenn, especially when Jenn is so open at the end of the piece in talking about a personal experience with abuse and the abuser's attempt at reconciliation.

The last paragraph of the article is incredibly powerful to me:

I'd suggest we all let the meaning of that final paragraph sink in. You don't have to agree with Jenn Pelly's take--and really I don't think it's even a "take" so much as an "account," I don't think Jenn is pushing the band on anyone--but that's just the point: we have the agency to decide for ourselves where to draw the line.