X-Men: Apocalypse (Bryan Singer, May 27, 2016) Movie • Page 14

Yeah I caught the end of DOFP on HBO the other night and was confused by all of this as well.

 

it's been ten years since DOFP, at lot could have happened in that time frame, and the real Stryker was still out there, too, with an interest in Logan.

 

Well, yeah, I know. That's why I was asking though. What was the implication of that ending to DOFP? It was there for a reason, right? So what was the "a lot" that could have happened which Singer himself set up and then did not follow through on?

 

My favorite part of the movie was Quicksilver saying "yeah I'm a complete loser", and then the scene ends. It was such a funny transition, but it felt like the filmmakers didn't realize how oddly placed it was haha.

 

Setting this 10 years after DOFP is weird. The actors don't look 10 years older. The time period didn't serve as a political or thematic parallel to the film. This is a bad movie.

 

Yeah I kept thinking about how Havoc is supposed to be twenty years older than when we first met him, and yet here he looks maybe a few years older than his brother.

 

I just got back from seeing this movie. I thought it was amazing. The filming was great, cinematography was great, the writing was great, and the acting was superb--mostly from Michael Fassbender. The only thing that sucked was the theater I saw it in. BOO

 

Did anyone else crack up anytime Apocalypse showed up standing there with his posse?

Those were the really laughable moments for me. All of the intended jokes fell flat for everyone in my theater.

 

the only "jokes" that I felt fell flat were Xavier talking about Moira.

 

A lot of people laughed both times I saw the movie. They mainly laughed during the Xavier and Moira stuff and some of Quicksilver's dialogue.

I few people gasped when Magneto's daughter was killed as well.

 

To me, the best scene in this movie was the nuke scene. I may like it more than the Quicksilver scene. Apocalypse sending nukes into space as he shouted "You can fire your arrows from the Tower of Babel, but you can never strike God!" was pretty intimidating. IMO, one of the few times Apocalypse was intimidating.

 

I think they should have let First Class been a one-shot and rebooted, even though DOFP is my second fav after X2. Or, maybe let DOFP be the swan song of both universes. They've painted themselves into a corner with the last, like, 4 X-Men films they've done, both good and bad. Either reboot in present day or, if they're attached to this cast (which I don't care about yet beyond Fassbender; screw Mystique and Beast especially), make a "Battle of the Atom"-style event where present-day Beast brings the past X-Men to the present.

I already have an idea for how to successfully reboot X-Men, with a plan spanning like 5 films, with each film working well on its own and actually feeling like an X-Men film. But, whatever. Maybe Wolverine 3, New Mutants, and/or Gambit will be good?

 

In my opinion, the problem with the X-Men franchise started with the Last Stand and was exacerbated by Jackman not leaving the franchise.

As long as Jackman was up for playing Wolverine, they really couldn't reboot. They killed Cyclops, Jean Grey, and Professor X in the Last Stand so they couldn't continue after that. Their only real option was to do what they did, make prequels.

Couple that with the fact that Singer doesn't care, at all, about continuity, and you end up with a mess.

 

There's quite a bit of ways to bring back old cast. Call it Uncanny. Call it Xtreme. Hell, call it Xmen. There's no continuity in the comics after x amount of issues. There's reversals, there's reboots, there's all sorts of things. I mean, there's a reason why everyone isn't 100 years old yet.

And having Jackman is easily explainable. His wolverine never dies/ages--there's no reason to recast a good thing.

 

I think if you reboot a franchise you need to have a fresh cast, otherwise it's confusing to the majority of movie-goers who aren't paying that much attention.

I am ready for Singer to leave the franchise and just start over entirely. No Jackman, no Fassbender, no Stewart, no Lawrence.

 

Crazy how this is basically a domestic bomb, but those foreign markets have it making a killing.

 

Severely flawed, but I had fun -- wasn't as dreadful as some made it out to be, IMO. I am ready for someone other than Singer to tackle the universe, though.

 

Singer and Lawrence yes. Jackman (you're getting your wish), Fassbender and I think you meant Mcavoy have all been the best parts of these films though!

 

This isn't a knock on their performance, they have all been great, particularly Jackman. It's just time to start over. Working back to present day decade-by-decade isn't going to work when Ty Sheridan (who is 19 years old) is supposed to play a Cyclops in his early fifties when they finally make it to present day.

The "First Class" trilogy has had to drag the narrative of the first three movies as baggage and I think it suffered because of it.

 

I loved the film. But what's wrong with the xmen film franchise in general is that there's no clear direction. Xmen, like most comicbook films, have a lot, and I mean A LOT of source material. All the studios have to do is pick a timeframe in the comics (preferably 90s and early 2000s) and you can make 20 films. But what you have here is them picking bits and pieces all over and it becomes a web of madness.

I mean c'mon, Phoenix is always explained somehow in the comics. The only backstory that these guys seem to do right time and time again is Wolverines.

 

Agreed, but it was soooo cool to see the ending of the team in their costumes finally! I just wish they'd make that movie asap and just make it take place right after.

Even though I like this film a lot, I do agree with what Tim said earlier that DOFP should have retired the two casts since it wrapped up so nicely and would have been such a good way to restart everything.

 

Yeah, there really isn't a sense that these films are serialized in any meaningful way. It's like Singer is just thinking "This is the one where they fight Apocalypse, and in the next one they are gonna fight Dark Phoenix...oh and Wolverine too."

 

I can't solely blame him. The series got out of control when he left to do "Superman Returns," back before comic books movies really had "cinematic universes." I think if he knew they were going to become so serialized, there would have been a better effort to establish everything. But directors like Ratner and such kind of screwed everything up, as well as Simon Kinberg (I'll give him credit for writing DOFP) and basically had to re-inherit it to try and establish some sense of continuity.

Unfortunately, "Apocalypse" still doesn't straighten the continuity out, so I don't know what's going on.

 

I had no idea Simon Kinberg was asked the question I had about Wolverine. This was his response:

How X-Men's Screenwriter Resolves The Wolverine Mystery From The End Of Days Of Future Past

Generally does nothing for my frustration over this plot point as it basically sounds like a cop out, but eh there it is.

 

Sell it back to Marvel!!

Marvel might start caring more about the X-Men again in the comics.