Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Rian Johnson, December 15, 2017) Movie • Page 346

They want a remake of empire so they Dan complain that it’s just a rip off

 

Yeah, I still don't know what this means. O well.

 

All I have to say is that this whole "remake" debacle has reminded me that I don't yet own this on blu-ray and I absolutely need to. I've loved every watch of it more than the last, so I really need to add it to the collection.

 

I think it all comes down to people not liking how they handled Luke. They don't want to see him as anything other than a super positive hero.

 

Plus people spent years writing their own version in their head and guessing and putting so much thought into things so instead of just saying they're wrong, it's Star Wars that's now wrong. Cognitive Dissonance at it's best.

 

Fan fiction isn't canon which is something these entitled fans need to learn. I understand the old expanded universe was canon at one point - but Disney made it so those stories are just legends now. Disney is making the real canon now. Why would you want to see a bunch of movies where you know what's going to happen? The Last Jedi broke the formula and now that they can literally go anywhere with these characters the "fans" are upset because it's not what they wanted. Get the fuck over yourself. The Last Jedi was brilliant.

 

The movie is so damn meta. Luke straight up says "What did you think would happen? That I would walk out with a laser sword and face down the whole First order?"

Entitled fans: "YESOMG"

 

He kind of does in the end though.

 

Luke as a real person lamenting his status as a mythical figure was one of my favorite things about the entire movie.

 

Thats perfectly fine you didn’t enjoy it or if it didn’t feel like Star Wars to you, but where did you hear that not feeling like Star Wars was the point or Rians intent of this movie? Ive watched and read a lot of stuff about him making the movie and never heard him say this once. He may have wanted to push the boundries but just simply claiming that he didn’t want the property that he’s loved since he was a kid to not feel like Star Wars isn’t fair and lazy rationalization.

Making assumptions like this is is the same type of thinking where people who hated the movie think he was trying to ruin Star Wars. Yours is obviously nowehere near that bad, but its still projecting your own beliefs onto somebody else and claiming it as fact.

Just because it didn’t feel like Star Wars to you doesn’t mean it doesn’t feel like Star Wars to everybody else. You said his point was that he didn’t want it to feel like Star Wars and then you just explained what that means as:

I doubt that that was Rians intent. To not give people a rush, or to not have a sense of adventure. In the first scene of the movie’s commentary he literally said “I want to let people know we’re going to have fun.” For some people he just failed to do that.

For me, the things he did well are the things that I love about Star Wars so it feels in some ways the most like Star Wars to me. Mostly in the way it handled the force and interwove the message in that first lesson through every single storyline and character.

In fairness, and just so I make everybody hate me i think those on the side of loving TLJ are guilty of these rationalizations too. People saying that those who didn’t like it “just didn’t get it” or are butthurt fanboys that didn’t get what they wanted, etc...

Another one is people on both sides saying that “let go of the past. kill it if you have to” was the point or main theme of the movie. Some use it saying Lucasfilm dooesnt respect the past and wants to kill everything we love about SW. Some use it as saying its a good thing and that fans need to let go of their attachments to Star Wars past.

Yet that was never supposed to be the main theme of the movie. Keep in mind it came from an unhinged Kylo and Rian has said that is NOT the point he was trying to make with that line.

Rian: “It’s something while I relate to, it's not ultimately where I come down in terms of the ideological argument," Johnson said. "For me, I always think that if you're cutting off the past, you're fooling yourself and you're just burying it somewhere where it's always going to come back. And the only way forward is where Rey actually lands, which is to build on the past, not necessarily to wallow in it the way that Luke is doing … with Yoda's lesson to him, with the Jedi books."

Skywalker’s self-imposed exile is another unhealthy response to the past, argues Johnson, who knew Luke wasn’t a coward. He needed a reason for Luke being on the island “that was both active and positive,” though flawed in its own way. It becomes destruction of its own kind. Rey is the only character who seems to understand that learning from history is the only way to avoid repeating it. She must “take what's best from in it and build on it, and appreciate it, and move forward.”

Why The Last Jedi's Rian Johnson doesn't really think you can 'let the past die'

K. Rant over.

 

I didn’t see anyone say “that those who didn’t like it “just didn’t get it” or are butthurt fanboys that didn’t get what they wanted, etc...”

 

Oh no. Sorry if it came off I was directing that about people in this thread. I was just talking generally about things Ive seen a lot of people say in talking about this movie.

 

Dear god. I hate this movie, but these people are way worse.

 

http://m.ign.com/articles/2018/06/26/mark-hamill-on-the-weirdly-tragic-trajectory-of-luke-skywalker

 

The one thing I would have changed is not killing Luke in the movie, but just because I'm a huge fanboy for him. But he upheld his Jedi values of non-violence.

I'd do anything for a comic book in-between VIII and IX where Rey tracks down a mysterious old Jedi who left the order to find out why: Ahsoka Tano. She'd be what, like between 70 and 80? Better yet, put it in goddamn IX. I know it will never happen, but if I ever saw Ahsoka on-screen in a Star Wars movie I'd cry for a month straight.

 

Luke will be back as a ghost at some point, so him dying doesn't hold much weight for me.

 

Watching this now with my room mate who only saw TFA once. Kylo Ren comes on screen:

“Who’s that guy?”

I’m gonna be explaining a lot.

 

After not watching this for six months, I thought maybe some of it wouldn't hold up on the next rewatch after enough time had passed. It absolutely does. I still love this movie.

 

I started watching this again last night on Netflix and it's baffling to me how anyone can dislike a movie that looks this good.

 

I enjoyed Canto Bight this time around more than I have on any previous viewing. Could have been done better for sure, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have fun with it.

 

I love the idea of the casino and that plan, but when it turns out that the plan was a failure and, in the end, practically pointless I was like... k?

 

lol, my favorite part of Canto Bight is that it failed. It was a bad plan, it should fail. It may be pointless in the sense that the characters don't accomplish their goal, but it's not pointless to the plot. If they don't go on that dumbass mission then Holdo's escape plan is never foiled, the resistance is left intact and Finn/Poe don't learn their lessons or grow as characters.

 

But watching a bad plan get thought of and carried out to failure isn't fun or interesting to me. Agree to disagree on that one.

 

Fair enough!

 

I agree that them failing was important. I didn't mind that one bit.