General Politics Discussion [ARCHIVED] • Page 67

Straw man. No one ever said that it was permissible engage in such actions. The critique is aimed towards a liberal consensus that orients people towards a process that is inherently corrupt. And there are legitimate claims of the DNC working against Sanders. That doesn't justify the actions of some of his supporters. But, it is a reality that the institution of the party has fought against his nomination tooth and nail.

Also, I want to reiterate that Hillary Clinton wants a rapist, a man who has been accused of sexual assault on multiple occasions, as part of her administration. She also acted to silence and try to discredit his victims. And then they will sit here and talk about violence against women never being okay; they will cynically deploy feminism, whilst protecting a rapist. The depths of liberal sadism knows no bounds.

 

It's also easy to see why the DNC won't support Bernie. In his own words “We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?’

 

Bernie gets the Serj Tankian endorsement

 

Don't know if this has been posted here before, but pretty fitting and funny.

 

As Aaron Weiss would say, "the evil of two lessers."

 

Cherry picking to make sweeping generalizations. Its the system that's being protested, and liberals demand those protests be done through certain processes that simply ensure the system stays in place. Criticizing specific practices is not only fine, but needed, but instead you and the liberal heroes pick certain instances to generalize discontent and try to get the left to calm down, play their part, "you're helping Trump" etc etc

 

You also have to remember that the DNC is a private company. They used to not even allow people to vote on who they would put up for the general election. When they opened it up to a vote, they put a system in place to try and stop populists/radicals from winning. In American politics, Bernie is a protest candidate, who hates the DNC. People hoped the same type of system would keep Trump out of the GOP generals, and Trump called the system rigged as well.

 

I know that. I don't know why people should be less angry because of this.

 

They have every right to be. I'm not saying it's a good system. But we do need some protection against radicals ( I don't think Bernie is) but we also can't view him as a perfect candidate either. I think trump could beat him, because for one Bernie calls himself a democratic socialist , and he isn't one. The DNC wants the best chance to win, and also to promote their actual policies, and he is not a candidate that does that.

 

The Myth That Sanders Hasn't Been Criticized Won't Go Away

 

I'm not saying he hasn't been attacked. He also hasn't debated trump, maybe the best attack politician we've seen. I still don't really know why he wanted to tie himself to the term "democratic socialism" when even Denmark is upset with him classifying their society as such. I'm not criticizing his policies, but Trump compared to Hillary is a different monster when it comes to debating. Also, it has been proven people will look up articles that agree with their point of view, even social media filters it for you, so make sure to read articles from all view points.

 

He's actually fairly terrible on offense. Like everything else though, his rhetoric and demeanor shines through the most and people remember that rather than the attack itself.

 

Tell that to "little Marco" haha, and his supports love his rhetoric. We have to remember that we as young voters have a ton of confirmation bias. Young voters like Bernie, young voters use social media, so all we ever see are people agreeing with us. There is a huge portion of the county that hears socialism and is scared by it (and a huge portion that agrees with it and has no idea what it is). The fact is so far yes the media has attacked him on some things, but not to the point they've attacked others. I' not saying he would for sure win or lose, but I do disagree that trump could't find a way to beat a 74 year old self proclaimed "socialist" with kooky hair.

 

I must have missed that Hillary-Trump debate.

Considering some of the ignorant shit you've posted in here, I suggest taking your own advice, chief.

 

I would absolutely love to see that. Let's hope it happens

 

I understand I said some ignorant things during the last discussion. That is why I did take everyone's advice, and reached out to the socialism sub and honestly asked for their help learning more. I also have done my own research outside of that discussion, and will continue to do so. I probably have a better grasp on socialism than most of America, and can see where i missed the mark in my argument. Where my frustration lies is that this is supposed to be a general political thread, and what I notice more and more is it really is just a thread to post about how much you like Bernie and how the system is screwing him. Anyone that disagrees is quickly run out. I am not ignorant about 2 party politics. I watched every debate on both sides, and read articles from all different new sites daily. Some of the points I've made at least have so truth to them. How can people be mad the DNC doesn't want Bernie, when he has said he doesn't like them, and actually has the views of a 3rd party?

Bernie can't just waltz in and make college free and healthcare free. He has to work with both republicans and democrats. I'm sure people thought Obamacare would be able to get passed and implemented if he was elected. Turns out the republicans derailed it, and a poor rushed version of it came out that is currently bankrupting the healthcare industry, and many Americans. Also, when we talk about paying for Bernie's plans, I can't tell you how many people have directed me towards Bernie's website. That would be like me directing you towards trumps website as "proof". They also will bring up some top economist endorsed Bernie, and will direct you to that. Some top economists have endorsed Hillary, but that is always dismissed because they must be part of "the establishment". The truth is it might work, but it could also cause a lot of problems. Part of the reason it works so well in Denmark is they are a small, oil rich country with a diversified economy that produces new green energy technologies and also has healthy capitalism. They also tax their people 50 percent of their income and have high sales tax. We've also seen what can happen if the economy tanks in places like Venezuela and Greece. If your country can no longer afford to pay for all it provides it's citizens, it cuts them. When they need to cut healthcare, there is no other system in place for people. When your country is already 19 trillion in debt, it's a big gamble.

Again, I like Bernie, and I am probably as left as a lot of people here, but that doesn't mean I have to blind myself to what may be his weaknesses as a candidate.

 

Friendly reminder that disagreeing with someone or someone posting something dumb isn't a reason to report the person. Let's all try to keep it civil.

 

Yes ok, I put my 2 cents in. I do think it proves my point a little that I'm being reported for having a different view point. I'm trying my best to learn from past mistakes, and make sure I am being respectful. If you notice, I am not calling anyone names, I was just hoping maybe the community would want to engage in a thoughtful discussion. That can't happen if there is only one point of view in this thread.

 

My post wasn't prompted by anything you did, and you weren't the one reported.

 

Oh haha ok thanks for clearing that up. I have been a jackass here in the past, so just kinda figured.

 

The problem with Greece was not so much that their economy 'tanked', but rather they went into extreme amounts of debt and have a tax collection system that is/was very corrupt and ineffective. They have high marginal rates, yes, but the rate of tax evasion and lack of adequate tax collection was enormous there pre-crisis.

 

Sounds a lot like the US haha

 

Bernie Sanders agrees to debate Donald Trump

Nothing would make me happier

 

As I've said previously, this is a yooge problem and is Bernie's issue. He lost. Mathematically, it is pretty much impossible for him to win. This won't be an actual debate, it's going to be the two of them subtly agreeing in an echo chamber and trashing Hillary, which does nothing but help Trump.

Also isn't I don't see how this doesn't go against DNC rules (if it's treated as a presidential debate).


And, IMO election discussion should split off into a separate thread