Reports: Daniel Craig Done With James Bond • Page 2

I could not disagree more. For one, looking at the past 3 movies it's clear that "messing with continuity" is not an issue. The entire storyline with Blofield literally messes with continuity.

 

I'd be perfectly fine with Elba playing 008 in a spin off film, but there's no need to reinvent the entire character.

 

The last 4 films were a reboot.

 

Name: Bond, James. Height: 183cm, weight: 76 kilograms; slim build; eyes: blue; hair: black; scar down right cheek and on left shoulder; signs of plastic surgery on back of right hand; all-round athlete; expert pistol shot, boxer, knife-thrower; does not use disguises.

Roger Moore, Craig, Nelson all varying degrees. Nowhere does it say: MUST ALWAYS BE white. And overall, who gives a fuck? The books haven't been the basis for the stories in years. Tons of people have played the character. Adhering to one race OR SEX is stupid.

 

A "reboot" that literally includes the car in storage from the previous movies?

 

Hyperbolic, much? Here's the thing, the series has far transcended the books at this point so why hold on to an image? Because of tradition? Who cares? It's high time to shake things up with Bond, it's been a white dude for 50+ years in film. Plus, it'd make sense with the idea that Bond is not a man but a codename, hence why each Bond is different and has a different personality than the last one. People holding on the idea that Bond needs to be a white dude is regressive, not to mention a bad representation of what the UK is at this point via diversity. Lastly, Elba is an incredible actor and would do the role justice in my opinion.

 

It's called an homage to the original films. He receives the car for the first time in the "new" timeline in Skyfall.

 

The DB5 is absolutely used as a call back to something he's had in storage for years and had, with the guns, from his past. But if your argument is for a "new" timeline ... then ... you've basically just made the best argument yet away from any "continuity."

 

Anyone who thinks James Bond is a codename has clearly not seen every film. The entire backstory of the James Bond character has stayed the same since the beginning (his parents dying in a climbing accident when he was a kid and raised an orphan).

Also his wife dying at the end of On Her Majesty's Secret Service is referenced in several later films with different actors (Timothy Dalton in License to Kill and Roger Moore in I don't recall exactly which film.)

 

Casino Royale reboots the entire timeline from the point of him earning his license to kill. It's possible he used the car before earning the license.

Casting Elba as Bond would involve rebooting the whole story from even before that, and would entirely reimagine the character and deviate COMPLETELY from Ian Fleming's concept. It just makes little to no sense and would alienate the longtime fans that have seen every single film like myself.

I'd be all for casting Elba in a 008 role, but 007 is taken by the one and only James Bond.

 

So Bond is ageless then? Somehow able to change his outward appearance and personality despite the flow of time and changes that come with it? Give me a break. Here's the thing about spies, they can totally use the same backstory over and over again because IT'S A FREAKING COVER. Why use your life story when you can use a fake one and no one can figure out who you are? Come on, dude. It's really not that hard to think about. Every Bond in the films use the same cover to mask their identities, to act like Bond is forever in his late 30's/early 40's for 50+ years is beyond silly.

 

For the record, I've seen the entire series so don't tell me what I do and do not know about it.

 

He was in is late 50s in the Roger Moore films....

 

So then he de-aged then? How does that make sense with Timothy Dalton being much younger? Did he transfer consciousness to a new host?

 

I have actually, I've been a fan of the Bond films since I was a little kid.

 

Taken from Wikipedia:

n Ian Fleming's stories, James Bond is in his mid-to-late thirties, but does not age.[26] In Moonraker, he admits to being eight years shy of mandatory retirement age from the 00 section—45—which would mean he was 37 at the time.[27] Fleming did not provide Bond's date of birth, but John Pearson's fictional biography of Bond, James Bond: The Authorized Biography of 007, gives him a birth date of 11 November 1920,[28] while a study by Bond scholar John Griswold puts the date at 11 November 1921.[29] According to Griswold, the Fleming novels take place between around May 1951,[30] to February 1964, by which time Bond was aged 42.[31]

 

With guns built into it, played for nostalgia in the script with the knowing wink of the music, it was played as a call back to the older movies.

Fine by me. The last movie sucked, who cares when they reboot it to. It's fiction. And the movies haven't been anything like Felming's concept in years now, I'm assuming you've never read the original books, cause they're very, very different from the movies. And if it alienates fans my take is good. Fuck them. I've seen every movie countless times, I own first pressings of the novels, if longtime fans are going to be dipshits I'd rather they not be fans. Fuck the stupid fans, give me the best movies possible. I sat through fucking invisible cars, that shit is worse than any race or gender of Bond.

 

Same here, since playing Goldeneye on n64. Seen every film since The World Is Not Enough in theaters.

 

What about past that though? You know, after the books and the series kept going? Not the same guy, is it? So you're telling me that for the past 30 years, he's just this ageless British dude who bangs women and kills things? Come on, dude. We get it, you can't handle a POC being a fictional character. If anything, you need to look inwards and ask yourself as to why you're acting this way about it.

 

I just see no point with drastically changing the looks of an iconic character that has been around for decades.

Not just James Bond either. It'd be, like I said earlier, switching Scooby Doo to a pitbull, or Snoopy to a black lab.

 

Would him being cast as a 008 in the same universe not be a POC playing fictional character? I'd be 100% on board with that.

 

This is exactly like the people being shitty about Elba being the Gunslinger in the Dark Tower film adaptation.

 

"Iconic" characters change all the time. And if they're good in the role, then they become the definitive version. White actors and actresses have been whitewashing films for YEARS playing characters originally of other races that were "iconic" for their ethnicity. So, for one, we have hundreds of years of precedent. For two, there's plenty of reasons to do it, starting with making a good movie, second because it means some thing to millions of people, third because it pisses of closet racists.

You don't think it's a tad fucked up your argument is not to change cartoon dogs? I don't give a shit if they change cartoons either. Miles Morales is the best Spider-Man has been in years. I'm all for it.

 

Was the character portrayed in 24 films looking more or less exactly like he was was described in the books before him being played by Elba?