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I think how we consume each form of media plays a role too. For me at least, a film requires a pretty solid commitment, while I can listen to music while doing dishes or sitting on public transport, which makes me more willing to take a risk on something or even approach something I'm near certain I won't like.

This is a good point. I guess what I consider "good" (subjective, obviously) is typically only seeked out by people with some sort of foundation or at least an openess to engage with a film no matter when it was produced. I would certainly never shame people (though it's likely I have in the past), but encouragement/guidance only goes so far when people are resistant.

 

hmmm i gotta say I think Bob is pretty purely in the rhythm section the vast majority of the time (especially during jams). He barely ever solos during jams and even when he's going back and forth with Jerry it's usually still pretty clear whose playing rhythm. Jerry would play chords a lot during jams but that usually didn't mean Bob was playing licks. A few spots during jams you'd get Bob playing licks like the China>Rider transitions but those happened usually just in specific spots that weren't "written" but might as well have been. Also a handful of Jerry songs you'd get Bob playing licks during Jerry's verses. That's a lot of "usually" so maybe "purely" is the wrong word but I think his role is pretty solidified. I don't think you could realistically say that their parts were interchangeable just about ever, for example.

But this is so far beyond the scope of an interesting conversation for anyone that isn't me that we can drop it now lmao

 

It’s absolutely hilarious when it’s a very simple line and has an essay explanation

 

This is a thing too. There's an immense satisfaction when an artist you've been following releases something monumental.

 

" I eat that booty like groceries" is clearly about apartheid

 

Do you feel like post-Jerry in various projects he took the fore more often? I may be mis-attributing some playing. I know far less about them than you do.

 

thats why i think its silly to scoff at someone who has heard 80 albums last year but isnt familiar with stuff from the past. instead of being like that you could be like hey i see you like this album, here's some stuff they were probably influenced by from the past. people will be more receptive to that than "i cant BELIEVE you havent heard x album from x year but you're praising something from last year"

 

It's honestly hard for me to say, I don't really approach the post-Jerry stuff in the same way. It's extremely rare I listen to a D&C or Furthur recording, for example. It's much more in the moment for me, I don't like to analyze it the way I do Dead stuff. That said, I do think 'more often' is probably fair, but I don't think it's suuuper significantly more often. Also of course depends who he's playing with. Warren Haynes or Mayer or even Kimock he's probably letting them roll with it at this point, but if you watched him playing Dead songs with another band (like The National or something) or in the first couple shows/tours with Haynes or Mayer I think you'd probably notice him leading more and reacting less.

 

I think a lot of times you'll hear Bob playing off the rest of the rhythm section more than Jerry, too. A lot of times he sounds more like a piano player's left hand than a rhythm guitar, and you listen closely and realize the keyboard player is living in the upper octaves and it's actually Bob providing that counterweight

Sorry about this folks but I tried to drop it and Chris brought it back up so it ain't my fault you have to read all this. At the same time thanks to Chris for humoring me lmao

 

I've always cared a lot about influence, it's cool hearing The Replacements and being like hey that's every band

I've always listened to bands from other decades

 

the question ultimately comes down to, what is it being counter productive to? why do we consume media? maybe people have other answers, but for me its to feel something and form a connection. i do not believe knowledge of the classics is a pre requisite for that to happen.

 

Yr welcome @Wharf Rat.

Crazy: the entire forum has pretty eclectic music taste but is not into the jam scene at all. Really crazy: the entire forum is not into the really famous ones like the Dead or Phish either!

What a shame. I can talk about Phish all goddamn day obviously.

 

If there's any scene I judge negatively, it's the "Jam scene". And I catch myself when I do because I know my personal experiences don't account for the whole, but it is the only one I have to actually catch myself judging like that.

 

I think there's something to be said about the idea that people might be concerned with keeping up with every album put out that year, including ones they know they're not gonna be super into, when there might be something they'll like more that they haven't heard from 30 years ago. I don't think that's a very common thing, but if there's anyone who it does apply to it's probably music forum posters who post lists of every album they listen to that year lol. But, you know, that's something everyone weighs, someone might weigh what they get out of having a conversation about an album from that year that they don't even really like over just listening to an older album they like but that no one is talking about. So if your goal is to find the music you love the most, it could be counterproductive to lean too hard into what's coming out now. But if your goal is to participate in discourse obviously there's gonna be way less people talking about stuff that's older.

Also like, I'm a history major at school, I'm into tracing lineages and influences and developments and big moments in history so that's reflected in my listening. And the dead & the jazz greats have some of the longest and most ever-changing careers of anyone, so you can also do that stuff just internally with their careers while also zooming out and looking at the history of jazz or jam bands or rock n roll or whatever.

 

i think its only truly counter productive if you actually believe music used to be better than it is today, which i think is bullshit

 

well, if you think it hasn't gotten better or worse, that means all other things equal your chances of loving a new album vs. an old one should be the same. so if you're trying to maximize your chances of finding an album you've never heard but might love, you should split equally. obviously no one thinks this mathematically about their listening, but they weigh these things unconsciously. most people who listen to more new music than old probably are looking to find albums they love and can talk or read about. there's nothing wrong with that, you're just not purely looking for the best possible albums. plus, how you feel an album is obviously influenced by things you read or conversations you have. so maybe your best possible album is one you can talk about. thats dope. but if not, if you're truly looking for the music you enjoy most just on its face, and you believe music hasn't largely gotten better or worse, you should be listening to stuff from every time

 

There's also more albums at a higher quality released in the past few years than any time in history. With advances in recording equipment, access to that equipment, as well as access to different artists' work in different countries, there is a much higher chance of finding 80 albums you love this year than any other time period, easily.

 

if your chances of loving a new album vs an old one are the same how is it counter productive to seek out new music more?

 

Not to mention that I think it would be counterproductive to go out of your way to listen to an album from decades ago that maybe you're not interested in at all before listening to what you actually want to. Forcing that connection is so silly. Listeners should be able to consume what they want at whatever rate they want

 

What’s with the whole low energy thing that so many newer indie bands are doing? Some lo-fi production, jazzy chords with a shit ton of reverb, sing like you’re falling asleep and never really take the song anywhere- boom, you’re a buzz band

 

example?

 

First to come to mind are Homeshake and Bane’s World

 

never heard of either and hope i dont

 

I have a friend with a playlist of all these kinds of bands and I legitimately thought they were playing an album but it was like 20 artists on shuffle

 

this thread is too deep, gonna circle back to some stupid opinions

Alice in Chains is by far the best of the "Big 4" of the grunge scene