Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Rian Johnson, December 15, 2017) Movie • Page 303

On Rey and Poe meeting

 

After sitting with this movie, it blows my mind that people are dissappointed with this film. This movie had everything I wanted from a Star Wars film (beautiful space fights, creative expansion of the force, and bad ass lightsaber battles), and provided me with a greater understanding and appreciation of the mythology of the force and the characters that we have grown with throughout the last 7 films. It also felt so complete and complex thematically.

It makes me sad that I’m going to be having a lot of conversations with people who don’t like the film because of my extreme emotional reaction, and it puts me in a place where I feel like I will sound like a douche and have to say “but you don’t understannnnddddd it” over and over again. But I feel so emotionally connected to how great, poetic, and fun this movie was. It felt like the screenplay was self-aware and cognizant of the place the film had in relation to everything that preceded it, yet fundamentally understood everything needed to bring the entire mythology forward. Johnson had such a concise and strong vision for the film, and it permeates throughout everything in the film. Quite possibly my favorite Star Wars film, but this will require many more viewings that I am very excited to have.

 

Glad you loved it! As far as the conversations with people who don’t like it go don’t get drawn into it. it’s okay for people to hate the movie. Thats art. Getting into it with somebody isn’t going to change how they felt about a movie. Most conversations I see about the movie (and well...everything nowadays) usually turn into a war and both sides going to any length trying to win and it’s so lame. It really bums me out because I am also emotionally connected to the movie and just the SW community in general. So many lessons to take away from Star Wars and in this movie in particular and people who both love and hate the movie both ignore them and get consumed by the dark side when they decide to fight about it.

I’ve been dragged into arguing with my friends about plot holes and stupid shit and was disappointed that I actually got legit mad over it and was arguing with them in mind for days after we watched it. We can defend this movie all we want. It’s not going to change the visceral feeling they got from the movie. Some of that may be because some people are trained to look for reasons to not like it and find plot holes over the good things, or maybe they had valid issues. Doesn’t matter.

Have the strength to be able to keep a level head when the conversation inevitably takes a turn towards an argument. Make like Luke and throw away the saber in ROTJ. Find people that you like to talk about the movie with (even if they don’t enjoy it) and just say something lame like “to each their own” or some shit like that to people you know are just going to bum you out over it. Ain’t what Star Wars is about. They’ll try to make you defend yourself and the movie but nobody needs to defend why they love something.

Sorry if that sounded like a lecture. I’m mostly saying this to myself honestly cuz I keep wanting to engage to defend this movie

 

Totally agree! And that’s the entire thing that frustrates me is that they miss the big picture, and the whole point of many lessons about the movie, to instead debate about the banalities of the technical side. Inside everyone there are tendacies towards right and wrong and it’s ok to fail, yet people don’t internalize that within their “arguments”. But yup, I just love talking Star Wars so I just have to, as you perfectly stated, “toss away the lightsaber”.

 

I will slaughter the morons like Anakin with the Tusken Raiders. The idiots... and the incompetent ones. I’ll slaughter them like the animals they are.

 

Praying for a “pile of snoke” corpse funko pop in the 2nd wave.

 

Out of work early and going for round 4 now. First time going by myself though and haven’t seen it in 16 days. So pumped.

Looking for the Wilhelm Scream in fathier scene, the connection between roses past and the fathiers/tasers somebody mentioned a while back, how Rose/finn knew about the hyperdrive tracking, whether or not Snoke says that he planted the vision Rey saw which my friend said he didn’t.

 

Question: What’s a good fan edit that combines all 3 prequels into a single movie that I should check out? I see quite a few of them out there... I’ve heard this one is good, can anyone confirm?

 

Would also like to know this

 

K so I still didnt hear the Wilhelm scream in the fathier scene, but I thought I might hear it when the heavier-set pilot gets shot in the beginning? (anybody want to help me out on this one). I once agin missed Rose's line when she talks about her past. Its so brief. Something about her sister always "used to say to her". And my friend was right. Snoke never explicitly said he made Rey see of Kylo turning when they touched. Not that it matters. The vision she had only showed that "when the time comes you wont bow to snoke", which he didnt.

Just as a whole, this movie means more to me every time I watch it. I get chills during so many moments (a lot of that because of John Williams). I actually seem to tear up more every time. Every time I feel like I pull back another layer of the onion. All the themes just get stronger and I uncover more. This time I actually wound up seeing a lot of people I know. Friends. Family. People online. And mainly myself in a lot of the characters in the movie, both in good and bad ways.

Still dont like a handful of things about the movie. That will never change. Ill admit there are some holes, and there are some things that arent executed the best. A lot of things I wouldve done different as well. I think a big majority of my problems simply comes from the premise of the film. The film is so compressed in a short time period with 3 different major storylines that it has to jump in and out of scenes so fast. Theres no time to ground yourself and just live in the scene for awhile and get immersed without a jump cut to something else happening thats necessary to the story. but despite it all the good resonates to my core so much that I can brush it off.

Also there were a couple of older ladies watching next to me and were having a lot of fun They were laughing. I heard audible "ooohhhs" and "wows" . When the Luke reveal happened one of them raised her hands in the air. It was awesome.

What Im a little more hopeful for now is that we may get more of these characters into 10,11, and 12, or as mentioned earlier in the thread just expanding this story past 9 and subert the expectation of a trilogy. Luke says at the end, "The war is just beginning..." and we have one movie left. I jsut cant imagine there being a "and they lived happily ever after" type ending at the end of the 9 like we saw in 6, but I have to remind myself Rian isnt doing 9, JJ is so maybe there will be. I think Id be bummed though

 

I mentioned to my friend that I can’t see this being only 3 movies and that the story needs to be fleshed out much more, since TLJ seems like as tight or “small” as the series possibly can be, and there’s going the need to be a lot of groundwork laid for the next film to be resonant. A time jump will be one of the things I’m expecting, since it would help them jump right into expanding the universe and make both sides more equal, and to end Leias storyline.

 

Job stuff has been stressing me out; perfect excuse for round 3 in theatres here we go

 

I’m planning on doing a full marathon this weekend

 

I still remain indifferent towards this. There are parts I loved but I’m not having the same satisfactory reaction I did for TFA (knowing that movie followed the same blueprint as ANH). But at the time I would have been happy if the new trilogy followed Rey, Finn, and Poe in the Star Wars universe without incorporating characters from the original. I can appreciate the fact Johnson made sure not to answer fan theories with this one. I think because this is suppose to mirror TESB and I grew up with access to the whole trilogy at once, I might be able to appreciate this more once I see IX and view how TLJ fits into the trilogy.

 

Interesting the timelines aren’t synced argument. I think my link is around the right time.

211: ‘Star Wars: The Last Jedi’ Holiday Spectacular, With Special Guests Guy English and John Siracusa — The Talk Show With John Gruber — Overcast

 

Whoever that was didn't call The Force Awakens a mess, so he's correct.

 

They put it better than I could ever have verbalized it. Such a great write up wowee

 

chad is the greatest (and he put out the best album of last year!!!)

 

Round 3 reaction: it’s a god damn masterpiece.

 

This was my round 3 reaction as well.

 

Can’t wait to be able to get hi-res screenshots of the many, many perfect shots from the official release.

 

Yeah I just got done with my third viewing and it remains immensely satisfying. My third favorite SW film behind Episodes IV and V.

 

Just watched this and expected something to ruin the movie at any moment based on some reactions. That moment never came. This movie rocks. I didn't read spoilers so I haven't read up on why exactly people hate it, but I couldn't even identify anything someone might hate. There was no "oh I could see that being divisive" moment. It was just another round of good old fashioned Star Wars awesomeness to me, with an extra emotional kick if anything.