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I didn't realize Trump was a Keynesian.

 

I mean trump basically said he doesn't want to give any money at all to education and let it fend for itself so like...

 

In depth look at Clinton's energy/climate plans as they stand right now, for anyone interested.

 

Recently watched all the Vice episodes (From the HBO show) on climate change/energy. A lot of really mind boggling and crazy shit when it comes to the politics behind it. Very interest, but very sad.

 

As someone whose entire career revolves around energy/natural gas, this is fucking terrifying.

 

He needs constituents after all.

 

" a campaign spokesperson says Clinton 'believes we should be on a long-term path to a future where there is no extraction of fossil fuels on public lands'" - I would like to know how long this "long-term path" is. It's too late for us to continue to go at a slow pace, we have a short time to make these big steps.

It's not a bad plan, but for me it doesn't go far enough. I realize that, in terms of what she would say, "doesn't want to make promises she can't keep", but for a problem as big as climate change, we need to be setting big goals. I'd like to see a plan that sets a goal to get to 100% renewable energy, which is certainly realistic and achievable if we get a move on. I would also really like it if she would express support for a carbon tax and oppose fracking. I also don't see anything about geothermal energy in her plans, which I think in some states can be a large energy producer.

 

Oh god.

 

Yeah its actually a point that needs to be made. Its been said over and over during debt "crises" so seeing liberals mocking it is weird, but not as weird as Trump actually being spot on about it.

Of course the rest of the proposal, from what little I've read on it, looks like a disaster. But that's entirely unsurprising.

 

I've never posted in this thread before so my b if I'm derailing! But what do y'all do on local elections if you have no idea who the ppl are? Like not coming up on google or anything. And the voter's pamphlet is so vague and unhelpful! I'm gonna ask someone I trust irl with politics and stuff but I guess I keep up with local town stuff less than I thought because I have no idea who any of them are. I'm so glad we mail in our ballots cause I think I'd be too flustered.

 

I use to work for a local paper and covered government/elections. Usually debates are held so you have to keep a look out for those. Depending on the publication, candidates provide their stances ahead of elections even if they don't have official websites up. Sometimes local political parties would have more info available. You're in Oregon, right? Not sure how it is out there but you have to keep an eye open ahead of time.

 

yeah I'm in Oregon. When I googled some of the candidates there was like a few sentences in the local paper but not much + just the same "I'm a small town guy looking out for families" thing going on for each in the voter's pamphlet. I'm trying to dig online but I think a lot of them are just local ppl who decide to run without much background so there's not a lot of info. I think in a town like this where everyone knows each other ppl rely more on word of mouth, so I'll prob have to ask around to ppl who are more involved in the community.

 

Ok opened the pamphlet again and under education this dude has "school of common sense" I guess that helps with the process of elimination

 

this is amazing

 

New blow for Jeremy Corbyn as another senior Labour figure hits out at his election results

I guess the party needs a return to stuff like abstaining from even voting against things that are extremely perilous for many people so as to seem more "electable", then.

 

Highlights for democratic West Virginia exit polls, very interesting:

-Nearly half of voters make less than 50k a year
-1/3 of voters identify as independents
- Over 40% want the next president to be less liberal (over 50% also say they are moderate or conservative)
-1/3 of voters say they would vote Trump in November
-1/3 say top quality of president is that they should care about the people

 

I thought I read that 25% want less liberal than Obama, 25% more, and 50% more or less the same? Maybe the poll I read was different wording

 

Live: Democratic Primary Exit Poll Results

"Only a quarter of Democratic primary voters in West Virginia want the next president to continue Obama’s policies, a strong group for Clinton to date; that’s down from 54 percent on average in previous contests this year. An additional quarter wants more liberal policies, a group that’s voted just as strongly for Sanders, and more than four in 10 want less liberal policies, more than three times more than the average this year, and a group that’s narrowly favored Sanders in past contests"

 

The Greenland episode is terrifying.

 

Nice win for Bernie tonight. Watched his speech in Oregon and thought it was a good strategy. Spent less time jabbing at Clinton and instead directly went at Trump. He stated that even though him and Clinton disagree on a lot of issues, they both agree that Trump cannot become president. He also spent a lot of time making the case that he is the stronger candidate against Trump, which is what he needs to keep doing to get those super delegates to finally realize it. In the latest state polls today, Sanders wins in PA by 6 points against Trump, Hillary only wins by 1. Sanders wins in Ohio by 2, while Hillary loses by 4. It isn't just nationally that Bernie does better, it is in the state polls.

 

I was channel surfing and saw Ben Jealous on Fox News talking about Bernie's win tonight. He did say that Hillary needs to strongly consider partnering with Sanders for her VP if he doesn't take the nomination. Reiterated that it almost guarantees a win for the dems, which I agree on.

 

Bernie would probably be better off as a Senator under a Clinton Admin honestly...he'll have more power and influence to pressure Clinton appointees, and he'll probably be put on the head of a major committee if the Dems take the Senate back.

 

Do you think he'll be given a consolation prize (i.e. a position in her cabinet much like Obama made her Secretary of State)? I think that's doubtful.

 

I would imagine Bernie would just become a venerable voice in the Senate, more so than he has been in the past, and the attention he has gotten in this election can position him to get some things done in Congress that he may not have been able to do in the past when he wasn't taken as seriously. I hope there will be a scramble to address parts of his platform re: money in politics or tuition-free college as part of an effort to solidify a relationship with young voters, who have shown (and may continue to show) that the Democratic establishment cannot bank on their support without giving them serious nods in their platform. I don't think he's a VP pick (two old white people from the northeast aren't great optics-wise), and I think he can do more as a Senator with a spotlight than as a part of her cabinet.

My money is currently on Sherrod Brown from Ohio, or Julien Castro (although I sure hope not).

 

Nah I don't think so. I just think he'll be a much louder voice in the party now, and he'll be able to put pressure on Clinton appointees the way Lizzy Warren did with some of Obama's choices in the last few years. And in the senate he'll almost definitely get named chair of a major committee, assuming the Dems took it back. That would give him the power to decide what gets brought to the table for discussion and what not.