Accountability in Music • Page 13

Ok so I never actually listened to her but I just looked her album up because of this and wtf? I didn't listen to any of it but "Pacify Her" is a super gross song title

 

Ugh, lyrics are real gross too.

 

I know of her from the Voice because she was a big fan favorite on there and I remember it being a Big Deal because Christina Aguilera didn't like her like the other judges. I haven't listened to her post The Voice but she has a very dedicated stanbase and it's cool seeing many of them take her to task. A lot of her fan accounts on twitter are denouncing her and either not updating anymore or are turning it into platforms to uplift survivors.

 

The Year Of Exposing Abusers

 

i don't know where else to post this but this is interesting
https://pitchfork.com/news/caroline-polachek-pulls-out-of-moogfest-2018-over-lineup-announcement

 

kinda seems like moog was trying to do something good here. idk. it’s not like this is one tent at a festival with all the non-white cis mail acts. this is, id imagine, 75% of the bill. yeah, idk how to feel about this. seems like the intentions were good but i can see how it would come off as offensive

 

I get why it bothered her. I'm also irked by her "put me in the pit with the boys" phrasing for reasons I'm having trouble articulating - but I get why it bothered her. Being tokenized doesn't feel great, and it DOES open them up to fielding implications that these artists are on the bill as some kind of equal opportunity thing, instead of based on musical merit.

Anyway. It's complicated, and I think the intent behind this was good but it was just poorly calculated.

 

yeah, definitely. part of it was also feeling that the whole "female/transgender/nb" grouping was all in one, that's the biggest thing i've gotten from her statement and that while it's nice to highlight underprivileged groups we are still putting them together for the only reason that they just aren't cisdudes. which makes sense how that feels weird.

 

I have a question for you all but am having trouble articulating what I'd like to ask without it sounding somewhat offensive. The thing I care about most when it comes to live music is the vocals, I know that different people have different things that they're drawn to first, that's just my things. That being said, I sometimes have a hard time when female lead bands lead into male lead bands or vice versa. Sometimes it seems to work really well (I saw Eisley open for The Dear Hunter before and it was amazing) But sometimes I see the switch as a bit jarring, and it kind of deflates things for me. (Story of the year opening for Flyleaf, i love both bands but it just seemed off to me that they were playing together at all)

I guess I'm looking for any advice you can give me in getting over this weird hurtle. I'm sort of glad I don't have that position in the music industry booking shows how I'd like to (kinda a dream job of mine) because I just can't seem to want to listen to some artist together because of the different vocal deliveries of the male/female singers, even if the genre's the same (example: I love Field Mouse, and I love Turnover, both are great shoegazey bands, but together they just aren't a combination I'm interest in seeing. I'd rather see Field Mouse with an indie female lead band like Slingshot Dakota than the male lead Turnover, but its not because of what genders the members are (not consciously anyway), just the fluidity of how I'd like to hear the vocals throughout the show)

Is this some weird discrimination on my part that I'm not looking at the right way? If so does anyone have any advice on how I can overcome it?

 

I know you're trying to approach this openly so I don't want to be a dick in replying to you here, but honestly I think this is something you just need to get over rather than seek "help" over. For me the biggest thing in opener/headline dynamics is whether the overall sound of the acts is complimentary. To say I don't like hearing a woman before a man, or vice versa, doesn't make a whole lot of sense, there's no reason those sounds can't compliment each other. And if you're truly desiring a scene that holds women in as high esteem as men there's no way round it.

I dunno, I guess keep exposing yourself to it, go out of your way to see acts together, put together playlists of artists that you'r gonna see together.

 

yeah, that's definitely an unconscious bias, especially because gendering voices is problematic anyways. saying a voice is "feminine sounding" doesn't make sense, because women can sound like anything. i know that's a huge trigger for trans people as well, especially pre hrt, so i'd definitely move away from doing that.

 

Alright, cool. Thank you both for the honesty. I think I'm gonna purposely expose myself to more diverse lineups as far as opening acts leading into headliners and see how it changes my opinion. I know Brian Fallon is coming around here with Caitlin Rose next year, I'm definitely going to that. Haven't decided on PVRIS Yet, no openers are listed and the new album didn't do much for me (god, did I love the first album though)

Going off on a tangent, I guess I've got enough verification from outside sources to say its something I should correct internally. Thanks again

 

I never even consider how bands relate to each other on a show, it doesn't enter my mind. Band I like? Cool. New band new start.

 

the literal distinction of bands by gender divide is exactly why there is a gender divide

 

caroline made a new statement

 

I'm glad. The clarification helps.

 

The amount of times I have seen victim blaming in the form of “they allowed other women to get abused by not coming out years ago” is infuriating.

I didn’t know where else to vent this frustration, but this seemed like a reasonable place.

 

Creation Festival Founder Arrested for Alleged Child Molestation

This dude runs absolutely massive Christian music festivals, and I am absolutely sick

 

It makes sense that Pet Symmetry would drop off of a show with the way Evan seems to have handled that situation. Again it's another case of "I wonder how much the members knew before this came out?" From the outside looking in, the group around Pet Symmetry/IIOI/Chicago scene in general seem be pretty tight knit so I feel like if the assaulted party mentioned it to Evan then she probably told other people in that peer group. I could be totally wrong though.

 

given the way that pet symmetry's statement sounds and that they specifically said the band dynamic isn't fun anymore, i would imagine they didn't know and aren't a fan of evan's behavior. wishful thinking, i guess.

 

Knowing Erik and knowing how Dowsing dealt with their own member being outed as an abuser, I doubt he and Marcus knew. Just my two cents.

 

Again I just mention it from an outsider's perspective without knowing any of the members that the scene there seems very close so I would think they would hear whispers (total conjecture on my part I realize). But like the victim said in her statement she told Evan and then was essentially told to "play nice" so I could see how she maybe didn't tell anyone else for the sake of keeping a steady income which I totally understand

 

They know quite a bit about Evan and chose to do nothing about it before. It’s an open secret that he’s a shitty person here.

 

There have been plenty of whispers and known facts.