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Brand New - Science Fiction (August 17, 2017) [ARCHIVED] Album • Page 1694

Discussion in 'Music Forum' started by Dirty Sanchez, Aug 15, 2017.

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  1. Greg

    The Forgotten Son Supporter

    It’s more in response to the now multiple people who have said “the band doesn’t need to say anything. It will change nothing.”
     
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  2. Yellowcard2006

    Trusted

    I feel at this point the band is staying quiet waiting for this to all blow over so they can play shows next year.
     
  3. vein.ftm

    Trusted Prestigious

    I can't see them playing shows agian
     
  4. Greg

    The Forgotten Son Supporter

    That guarantees that I will not support anyone from the band in anything they ever do, if that’s why there is a deafening silence from the band.
     
  5. Yellowcard2006

    Trusted

    Same here. I'm running out of excuses for them because the fact that no one but Jesse even thought a comment was necessary comes off as "this doesn't matter that much"
     
  6. bennjeff

    Regular

    Does anyone happen to know what the deal with PMT! is? Like do the members of BN run it or is it Zarillo that runs it? I assume it was supposed to be what some of the guys did after the band was done and it seemed like KevDev would release most all of his stuff through them. I just can't see that really happening now but maybe I shouldn't want to support Kevin either after all this, I don't know.
     
  7. Zarrillo is the only one that runs it afaik. The other members have passing involvement.
     
  8. sophos34

    Prestigious Supporter

    My guess is the band is done and they're gonna make a statement soon.
     
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  9. beachdude

    I'm not brave Prestigious

    Yeah I don't see them continuing, they obviously still have fans defending them but I think it's pretty clear how much damage these revelations have deservedly done to their image/legacy. If they came back and tried to play festivals, etc. next year I could see them being heckled nonstop, it would be a disaster.
     
  10. sophos34

    Prestigious Supporter

    if the band wouldn't talk to jesse over the derrick stuff there's no way they'll get past this
     
  11. beachdude

    I'm not brave Prestigious

    Yeah that too. I still wonder how much the other guys knew, or suspected, and we'll probably never have the answer to that... but I'd like to think they were also pretty blindsided by the revelations and don't want to have anything to do with Jesse at this point.
     
  12. ncarrab

    Prestigious Supporter

    Can the band sue Jesse? If they’re getting booted from festivals and their 2018 final tour is obviously in serious (guaranteed) doubt, they are obviously going to miss out on a ton of money. Pretty sure Jason said a band member, or someone close to the band said something to the effect that the band had only continued on for the past 3-4 years because of money. So, it doesn’t sound like they are very close.

    The only reason I can now think of the band not saying anything is due to potential litigation against Jesse. I initially assumed they weren’t saying anything was because maybe they weren’t as innocent as we thought they are. I don’t know. I’m just spitballing here.
     
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  13. AshlandATeam Nov 19, 2017
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    AshlandATeam

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    There have been a lot of scenarios where people try to think through why the band is silent. But think about it: scale of 1-10, how much respect do you have for a group of dudes who are staying silent about the sexual abuse of teenage girls because speaking up jeopardizes their ability to make money via a lawsuit? I don't know about you, but I'd be at a -6. It's no different than staying silent so that they could make money playing shows; either way, they'd be sacrificing the well-being of these girls (and compromising any sense of ethics and righteous action) for money.

    I really don't see a scenario where these silent band members are doing anything remotely respectable or understandable.
     
  14. Kennedy Nov 19, 2017
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    Kennedy

    loomasleep.bandcamp.com Prestigious

    imo all anyone actually knows about anything is that Jesse is a predator and an abuser, and literally every other speculation about details of the bands relationships / other band members and so on and so forth are all just stirring the drama pot. Let Jesse take the heat for his actions, let’s stand for equality and change in this scene. Let’s stand with victims and back them up. Passed that there is really nothing to talk about it. I think this whole situation is an illustration of the fact that us “fans in the scene” or whatever you want to call us - we have NO IDEA about the details of these people’s lives. If we had any idea about any of these people than none of us would have ever listened to Brand New because we would have known since 2001 that Jesse is an ass hole. I dno, i just think it’s funny that this thread is just talking like “oh well Kevin Devine must have known this” “the rest of them must have known that” etc etc like damn we know nothing about any of these people except for some albums they have made so why all the speculation like this is TMZ

    I’m sure I’ll get ripped on for this post but w/e. This thread is silly now, basically a thread should be made about creating a safe scene, or post in the music accountability thread about actual facts instead of speculating if Jesses third cousin twice removed is a piece of shit because his kind of cousin Jesse is a manipulative pervert.

    I’m sorry, this post probably is unnecessary. I just worry that people are losing sight of what’s actually an important take away from all of this - and that’s believe victims, back them up, and the understanding that this scene needs to be safer.
     
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  15. Kennedy

    loomasleep.bandcamp.com Prestigious

    I do agree 1000% that the band needs to come forward now and defend the victims.
     
  16. cwhit

    still emperor emo Prestigious

    even if in general the fans remain shitty at the very least if at least some of them stop that'll be worth it
     
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  17. radiodead

    Trusted

    I’ll never deny the impact Music has on people. But good god it’s so silly to me when you step back and look at the situation that people have become blinded so severely by their own fandom. There is so much good music out there. It’s really not that hard to side with the victims, throw the band in the dumpster and find a new favorite band.
     
  18. reptar12

    Newbie

    This is a very good post. Also, there are fans out there who believe the victims and at the same time are able to still enjoy the music of the band and/or move the past the events of the past that make up the accusation. This is all speculation but in that same vein, if there are people who are going to pay to still see the band, which I think there are, then I am sure they will not have a problem touring. At the same I wouldn't be surprised if they call it quits. Either way, it's all speculation.
     
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  19. Anthony_

    A (Cancelled) Dork Prestigious

    Yeah if a statement from the rest of the band makes even one person stop harassing the victims or re-think their support for Jesse, it will have been worth it.

    Not that it would make me respect them again, personally. They've waited far too long for any statement of theirs to get me to support them in anything music-related they do ever again.
     
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  20. cwhit

    still emperor emo Prestigious

     
  21. Kennedy

    loomasleep.bandcamp.com Prestigious

    They shouldn’t ever play a show again imo
     
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  22. bradpetrik

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    What's this about Knuckle Puck? I took the weekend away from this stuff so I could relax a bit.
     
  23. bradpetrik

    Trusted Prestigious

    Knuckle Puck or Brand New? I'd be ok with both never playing again.
     
  24. teebs41

    Prestigious Prestigious

    knuckle puck were on tour with with confidence
     
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  25. Kennedy

    loomasleep.bandcamp.com Prestigious

    Brand New, i have no idea who Knuckle Puck is or what theyre about
     
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