Brand New - Science Fiction (August 17, 2017) [ARCHIVED] Album • Page 1680

This definitely sums up a lot of what is going on. I wish it was even longer and went into more detail at the end but yep. Definitely an easy way to sum it up if someone is out of the loop.

 

I'm sorry, it's just that it's 4:23pm and I have work overdue to 6pm. I'm saying the opposite. Men can't be feminists and I don't see myself as a good enough ally, regardless how hard I try to be one. I don't know how you projected all of this out of this part:

I'm Brazilian so English isn't my first language, but if you read the context of what I'm saying, I'm basically saying that I'm not patting myself on the back for trying to be decent. It's still not good enough to call myself an ally. Yes if you quote just a phrase without the context it sounds different, and there might be something going off in translation, but I feel like you are overthinking this to an extreme point. And yes, I really gotta go and I feel bad that you felt uncomfortable. Hence why aka I'm a shitty ally, haha. :

 

I'm trying to figure out if all this coming out will even affect the band or whether they even care at this point. Obviously, it'll affect other bands outed who planned on sticking around but Brand New were pretty much calling it quits. To say their career is ruined isn't much of a statement nor is it a punishment. Boycotting them and their music won't do much of anything. They had a long career and while the perception of that career will be affected, it still happened unscathed. Let's be real, they should have never made another album after YFW. The band should have ended the moment Jesse Lacey abused his power. But here we are 17 years later and as much as we wanna say there's a reckoning for Brand New, I feel like there isn't.

 

Hmm. I strongly disagree with some specifics of this piece. Lacey's lyrics about how he sees himself and how he saw his muse(s) is extremely narcissistic to a fault going through all their catalogue, Daisy included. Regardless the vesting of those songs, the lyrical content hasn't really matured. I'd argue that the few stuff I've heard from FOB and all the stuff that I've heard from TBS, Thrice, Green's bands and etc. show better signs of lyrical growth than Lacey's, and I've been saying that for years now. Basically, what I see is a dissonance between what the lyrics actually are and the projections that people placed on them, and that's where the problem is. With that said, I have to get out of here, haha. My colleague is going to kill me, and with good reason.

 

Also have there been any major pieces written recently about the young girls who grew up in this scene and how complicated it is for all the lyrics we related to along with the boys to be coming out in all of this? I know someone mentioned pages back about a study or something showing that women are better at changing the gender of lyrics or stories to relate to their life which is kind of what I'm getting at. It's so hard to know that I related to all these lyrics because they reached how deeply sad and angry and angtsy I was and I gave them the benefit of the doubt that they didn't actually hate women, they just were hurt by one specific person like I was when I listened. I'd definitely be interested in seeing more about how we all internalized that and also how much it hurts on another level.

 

Both authors that we are discussing here have mentioned this piece:

Where the Girls Aren't - Rookie

I haven't read it yet but I'll check out when I can.

 

go to work god damnit leave here

 

Yeah, you're wrong on that one.

 

Yeah a language barrier probably makes explaining the exact nuances of why it worried/bothered me impossible. You discounting my interpretation and saying I was projecting or overthinking is a definite bummer, but since you do have to go it's not worth going into. I appreciate your apology about me feeling uncomfortable for sure.

 

I'm not even sure what to make of that article

Is someone this bothered by the male lyrical history of music that unaware of what female artists in general tend to write about most?

 

As A Male Feminist, I Really Think I’d Absolutely Crush It If I Ever Had To Publicly Apologize For Sexual Misconduct

holy shit

 

Yeah that article is good but until the last few paragraphs it's kind of talking about the opposite of my question and just commenting more on girls being left out entirely instead of there and taking these lyrics in. I'm wondering about what these revelations mean to the tons of girls who identified with the "sad boy" songs and who used them to get through their own breakups or depression or whatever and just wrote them off as, "Hey, if I wrote a song it would be just like this only about a boy. I don't hate all guys I'm just hurt and this helps me," and now finding out that it wasn't just our universal feelings coming out for everyone but really was misogyny and danger and wasn't for us at all. And also how that makes the guilt of loving this scene and these bands that much worse when every article talks about how lame guys are for identifying with these albums when I did too and so did all my female friends who I went to shows with. It just makes me feel left out of every angle of the story and it's very hard to get through.

 

I love it when Clickhole turns into The Onion for a moment.

 

No, they're probably acutely aware of what they write about, but the inherent power dynamic and history of abuse is disproportionally on one side of that equation.

 

Unraveling the Sexism of Emo’s Third Wave | Pitchfork

jenn pelly's turn

 

Best thing I've read so far today.

 

And we're technically in what, fourth-wave emo? Same shit is still happening and that's frustrating.

 

Aaaaaah yes! This articulates a lot of what I'm talking about.

 

That was a good one

 

I had always assumed the lyrics were taken from personal experience. Life informs art. I guess I was naive to believe that other people didn’t assumed they were as fucked as their music and behaviors seemed to indicate all along.

 

Sowing Season has been the default song in my head for years now. I still wind up humming it and catching myself. Can I get an eternal sunshine of spotless mind treatment pretty please?

 

Sometimes I can't believe I loved third wave emo so much... I mean I just didn't get it, I knew the lyrics were over dramatic but I just thought it was hurt people getting their emotions out... I now know how bad it was and its weird bc I've got so much attachment to the music.... I'm glad that the genre has matured in this new wave and the lyrics have branched out a bit and reflected other aspects of human life.

 

I always thought it was a song just showing how horrible people can be.
I never thought about it being a personal story..bc as someone mentioned a week ago, that album seems to tell a ton of terrible stories that we've "already heard"

I mean I still think that was the intention of the song but it is way worse given the new information about how Lacey lived his life during that time period.

 

This piece... now this piece is the one I can wholeheartedly agree with.

 

Crazy it's been a week. Feels like a year.