Brand New - Science Fiction (August 17, 2017) [ARCHIVED] Album • Page 1611

Yeah this has been really bad on my mental health, as selfish as that sounds

Can someone recommend some artists to me? With escapism lyrics? I've got a ton of depressing ones already. Artists that just might be genuinely good people?

 

This always takes me to another planet

 

Actually went pretty well! I didn't even have to get to the second paragraph of this quote.

Guys it's scary to confront your friends when they don't respond favorably to divisive topics like this, but do it. If I can confront my bands drummer, who would be incredibly hard to replace if we got in a big dispute... you guys can have a conversation with your friends about rape culture or something similar as well.

If that person truly respects your feelings and intelligence, cares about you, has similar values... they will hear you out and most likely resonate with the fact that you're inserting your personal feelings into the topic. They'll listen to you speak earnestly on the subject, more than they'll listen to being talked down to and villainized on a message board, for example.

Initally, he wanted earnestly to find any reason/discrepancy the story isn't as bad as it sounds, he loves BN even more than I do and he just had the wrong visceral response about it. I was not able to reconcile it. But I was able to explain, calmly and carefully, why it's incredibly dangerous to be an apologist for Jesse; why it's incredibly unlikely she's not being honest, and why doubting victims is a trend in society we must reverse. I mentioned that when it comes to what someone did in their personal life, their career accomplishments don't matter, you wouldn't laud a professor who sexually assaulted a student just because he also taught that student... and so it has to be the same regardless whether you love or don't give a damn about that celebrity.

I also explained that it's important that every new band currently involved, including us, responds to this by OPENLY and directly taking a stand against sexual assaults / misconduct... and that we all lead by example and take part in changing the culture of punk/emo/Indie from one that is predatory and manipulative of women and teenagers, to one that celebrates and protects them. I plan to make a statement about it at our next show.

He agreed and amended his early comments, said that he thinks that this laid out the next step for our band, that he wanted to start taking the community more seriously and not just the music. So proud of him. I was thankful we had a positive discussion about such a negative bombshell of upsetting news.

Jacksonville is not a very progressive place and progressive schools of thought are not cultivated very well. His original attitude is one I have come to expect and have argued against a lot in this city. But I find that if you are patient and don't condemn the other person, and instead say things like "I completely understand that but try to view it from this perspective, the person who suffers the most" people can be open to hearing logic they haven't heard. Take your time and be nice, overturning rape culture is more than just pointing fingers and drawing spades.

 

There are people making rape jokes and comments and threats on the Facebook page now. Because 2017 is the worst I guess. My god.

 

Somebody asked about bringing up FOB and all of this and how they shouldn't be mentioned. Um, Pete Wentz did date a 15 year old when he was 23 right? I thought that was well known. It's what TTTYG is all about.

 

Pete started dating Jeanae after TTTYG was out. FUCT and IOH are rumored to be about that relationship though.

 

Ok, most of my knowledge came from what I think was this post here:

pete wentz & jeanae white: bare facts, bottom line

If anybody wants to clarify or supply some clarity for me, I'm all ears. I never took it as fact (it is the internet) but it really changed my feelings about some of their music.

 

hey!! i was just wondering - wasn't take this to...

 

If there was a breaking point reading the second accusation was it for me. I’m a very forgiving person but imagining now that this was a girl in every town sort of deal... the lives he must have destroyed.. it’s forever tainted and I just don’t know where to go from here. Music is so tied to me as a person... people are already texting me. “Your guys in trouble!” Like its some sort of fucking joke.

I’m at a loss right now, if someone would have asked me 3 days ago to name 10 things in the world I didn’t want taken or ruined from me, this band would have been on that list.

Thanks for the support everyone, we have a good community here, with good people. I think our morale is going to be tested over the next few weeks as more bands we love are outed. Stay strong and remember this isn’t your fault for loving a band with shitty people. We didn’t know these people.

Really hoping thrice and Manchester Orchestra stay clean in all of this, they are tier one bands for me that I can lean on in this time.

I do believe that Jesse can be rehabilitated as a human being, however I hope he is never in a band again. I think they need to call it this week and disappear forever.

 

I don't even know what to say. Speechless.

This is all horrible.

Hopefully the victims get the closure that they seek and Jesse continues to work on himself.

Like many of you, I wonder how can this band possibly continue? How long did the rest of the band know? While the temptation was probably unimaginable, I am sure there were people his age who would have sufficed. This is absolutely inexcusable.

 

Not going to even pretend to judge the guy because I have my own vices that I battle daily but poor actions have consequences.

Sorry for the rant but like many of you this has messed with my head. This band helped me transcend many dark places and that seems so shallow now.

 

Just going to echo what I just said in the supporter thread that this can't be a case of debating whether or not Jesse has changed because that's irrelevant. It needs to be a case of working through things to make sure the victim's are made to feel okay, as much as he is able to do. I don't know what this means for the band. I'm still processing all of that and frankly I don't want to know that right now.

 

All I know is that there’s obviously a pattern here and that there’s probably more people he’s preyed upon. That’s good enough for me to drop my support for this band (at the very least financially). I’ve taken down my deja record from the wall in my lounge and I’ll not be going to the London shows if they do go ahead. I just hope all the people that have suffered by his actions are doing the best they can right now with all this in the spotlight.

 

I pretty much automatically figure every artist I listen to has done some shit that would make me think less of them so yeah things like this rarely ruin music. Exceptions are rape and murder or something as bad. Humans suck, especially egotistical narcissistic artists. But music is my life and that matters more to me than attaining a moral high ground that matters to no one by myself. I do good work when I can. I barely financially support anyone as is and my decision to buy is rarely about the artist and always about how important the music is. And if I wanna buy something important to me but the artist has crossed my personal into no support land I have no problem not buying. No shortage of other music to buy.


All that said the way music hits me will never go away despite what band members do. I know he doesn't write but he plays live but diivs bassists used to post on 4chan in typical offfensive chan lingo and shit. But diiv has put out the only modern album I've heard that truly captures and tells the story of heroin addiction and attempting sobriety. My connections take precedent over wrong doings to a degree, which is selfish, but I do have a line. And that line is kind of not set in stone I just take it on a case by case basis. From what I know here, I'm still a brand new fan, Jesse aside, and I haven't even Ben all about just Jesse since high school, I don't worship him I just love this band.

 

Was supposed to be seeing them in London on Saturday, but obviously whatever happens now, I doubt I'd go even if it were on. I imagine a fair few people would be the same.

That said, doubt they'll go ahead.

 

I don’t know if this statement is good enough. It’s not for me to decide. I am not technically the one that has been wronged here.

That said, it speaks for him that he knew he had a problem and has gotten help and didn’t wait for the allegations to come to light to do so, unlike some real pieces of shit like Weinstein.

 

Yeah I'm really there with you. I'm 90-95% on not going and I feel awful that there's even a 5-10% chance of me still considering it. I want them to cancel it themselves so I don't have to make the decision.

 

I know I've been all over the place today but I'm slowly coming to terms with not being able to support this band anymore. It's going to be very hard but I'll always stand with survivors and won't support anyone who abuses their power to hurt others - especially minors, who are so vulnerable and have their innocence stripped from them.

 

Woke up, absolutely dreading his response. His statement is fine. I'm sure it's sincere. I'm optimistic that he's changed for the better.

But, I just can't do this. Him getting help and changing doesn't change what he's done. I wasn't surprised yesterday that he was accused of this. But maybe I was holding out hope that there was a mistake. Of course, deep down I knew there wasn't. And I guess that's where I'm at on this.

He did what he did and it's the worst. I can't give the band anymore of my money. I can't support them. I just can't. I don't think I'll ever listen to their music again. But the most important thing here is that I absolutely hope if given the chance by the people he's done this to, he'd do whatever possible to help them find peace for his actions. He needs to apologize to them directly, if they allow it. That's what matters. It's not my job to make sure he atones. But as far as I'm concerned, he can leave the music industry behind forever and I'm not gonna complain. I also hope his wife is doing well and that everyone would just leave her alone. That is all.

 

TDAGARIM has helped me so much during a troubled youth...what am I supposed to do with all those memories and the music now? I am heartbroken...

 

Keep and cherish the memories. Let the music rest in the past.

 

Same, I don't think they'll go ahead with the tour. If they did I don't think I would go but then there's just that little tiny part of me that would. That's the emo kid that once thought the world of this band and I can't change the impact they had on my life, the darkest days I've ever had their music was always there and I don't want those memories tainted either but going forward I won't be supporting this band and that does break my heart

 

Statement is not good enough. The honesty of his narcissistic nature is backed up by it though, that's for sure.

 

You keep them, it's okay to still keep those memories. You can't change the past and be happy you had them, don't feel guilty for it. It's okay to be heartbroken, I am too

 

the only problem with the statement i see is a failure to address the age of the girl at the time. other than that im not sure what people wanted. he took responsibility for it, apologized, admitted he was wrong, and gave an ind epth background into issues he still battles to this day not as an excuse but almost as a way of warning fans hey im really, really not perfect. i didnt find that part to be "oh pity me" at all. i saw a man putting his flaws out in the open for all to see so he can have a better chance to grow.